Nine Year Old Boy Stabbed To Death By Twelve Year Old In Michigan....

[montanadave]

"There is nothing new under the sun" . . .

There are numerous cases where children from various social-economic backgrounds, family models, and cultures have committed horrendous acts of cold blooded murder. I read a recent story where two pre-teen boys took turns sexually assaulting a little girl as the other one held her down. A Google search will yield stories of pre-teens killing other children for no other reason than just to watch them die. Evil is among us, sometimes it’s wrapped up in someone’s cute little buddle of joy. Kids such as this will always be a threat to society and should be dealt with accordingly.

Don't get me wrong. Regardless of what factors contributed to these kids becoming little sociopaths, I don't think they should get a pass because mommy ****ed up their toilet training. The fact is young kids who lack empathy, exhibit such wanton cruelty towards pets and other kids, and are seemingly incapable of forming emotional bonds are probably irretrievably broken. Sucks but it's true.

[Safetyhit]

What does any of this anecdotal evidence prove beyond illustrating that some children demonstrate remarkable resilience in the presence of horrendous domestic and social environments, other children suffer horrible consequences, and the majority generally end up somewhere in the middle of the bell curve?

There are numerous cases where children from various social-economic backgrounds, family models, and cultures have committed horrendous acts of cold blooded murder. I read a recent story where two pre-teen boys took turns sexually assaulting a little girl as the other one held her down. A Google search will yield stories of pre-teens killing other children for no other reason than just to watch them die. Evil is among us, sometimes it’s wrapped up in someone’s cute little buddle of joy. Kids such as this will always be a threat to society and should be dealt with accordingly.

To say this is common knowledge would be a vast understatement. I mean I'd bet the farm there is not one person here reading this who isn't 100% aware of what you both said.

Like many I was raised in a very dysfunctional home filled with yelling, violence and manipulation. Others here can share a similar story, but there is not blanket category for such a dysfunctional upbringing. As with anything else there are levels, individual circumstances of a nearly infinite variety. As bad as much of my childhood was in many fundamental respects I wouldn't dare compare my circumstance to that of a child being raised in Camden or North Philly. Add to that parents that teach racial hate, sexually abuse or are otherwise even worse than the local "norm" in whatever way and some children have a far higher mountain to climb than others.

[SteyrAUG]

Did you read all of what he did and said afterward? As much as I like to see someone literally burn at the stake over this it isn't the boy who did the stabbing. Based upon what he said and barring unusual circumstance his parents and his shit sucking community are almost certainly to blame. I can't f***ing stand it anymore.

You mean the whole "I took some pills and wanted to end my life" comment? Well if he'd have done that I'd actually feel really, really sorry for him. But instead of or in addition to taking pills, he decided to stab a 9 year old kid apparently for little or no reason so **** him.

Hundreds of kids in that zip code live in shitty neighborhoods, have bad parents and all kinds of things which work against them and make being normal incredibly difficult. But Jamarion was the only one to knife a 9 year old kid to death that day. He knew what he was doing, knew it was wrong even to the extent that he was the one who called 911 and reported himself.

I'm sure he had all kinds of problems and was dealing with things that no 12 year old should be subjected to. Wouldn't surprise me to learn he came from a horrible family that neglected and abused him. But my potential concern for Jamarion was cancelled out when he killed somebody else's kid. It's unfortunate he didn't get help earlier but it didn't happen and now all I care about is making sure he can't do anything like that ever again.

The system, including the damn "village" probably failed this kid. As much as schools and democrats drone on and on about "no child left behind" and all that nonsense, they often ignore aggressiveness in certain students out of racial bias yet flip out if another kid fashions a pop tart to look like a gun. I'm willing to bet this isn't the first instance of violent or sociopathic behavior from Jamarion.

[Honu]

most all of Europe during WWII was a crap hole to live in yet folks helped each other out quite a bit
depression was not fun to grow up in from folks I talked to yet kids did not going around stabbing each other for no reason some did protect there lives and homes from crap people that tried to steal etc...

but to attack like this ? race ? just hated whitey ? or just unlucky who knows we will never know the truth cause it won't get reported but the whole its the conditions crap is going to far its just plain bad parenting IMHO and there is no excuse for it parents should also be tried for murder IMHO

[SteyrAUG]

Please. Neither did I but we didn't grow up in that shithole. No rocket science involved here.

And to clarify I'm not condoning violence in the black community due to rough upbringings, but rather acknowledging that this child is a product of his environment and especially that his crime is exceptional for his age.

I don't mean to be completely dismissive but I knew plenty of kids who grew up in my nice, safe, mostly affluent neighborhood who were Grade A First Class shitbags who ****ed over people and property for personal amusement. And I had plenty of friends who grew up in completely sketchy neighborhoods, had useless substance abusing parents who provided virtually nothing and except for the typical shit 12 year olds pull, never did anything to anyone because it was wrong.

In more than a few cases, they had a better handle on that stuff than I did because they grew up in neighborhoods where they saw people get screwed over all the time and they decided they wanted to be NOTHING like that. In high school there were a handful of instances where they called me on my shit when I was about to do something that I considered "typical high school jackassery" and they made me rethink the actual impact of my intended activity.

I can excuse a LOT of things to adolescent stupidity and environmental ignorance, but I'm pretty sure every kid who willfully and successfully murders another kid at a minimum knows it's wrong. If Jamarion drank a 40 oz, stole a car and unintentionally killed somebody else, I'd hold him accountable for his actions but I'd be willing to extend a lot of mitigating circumstances his way.

But that isn't what we have here.

[SteyrAUG]

What does any of this anecdotal evidence prove beyond illustrating that some children demonstrate remarkable resilience in the presence of horrendous domestic and social environments, other children suffer horrible consequences, and the majority generally end up somewhere in the middle of the bell curve?

Nothing, it proves nothing. But at the same time it's not an exemption for your actions for exactly the same reasons.

[SteyrAUG]

Don't get me wrong. Regardless of what factors contributed to these kids becoming little sociopaths, I don't think they should get a pass because mommy ****ed up their toilet training. The fact is young kids who lack empathy, exhibit such wanton cruelty towards pets and other kids, and are seemingly incapable of forming emotional bonds are probably irretrievably broken. Sucks but it's true.

Pretty much where I'm at.

[Safetyhit]

You mean the whole "I took some pills and wanted to end my life" comment? Well if he'd have done that I'd actually feel really, really sorry for him. But instead of or in addition to taking pills, he decided to stab a 9 year old kid apparently for little or no reason so **** him.

Hundreds of kids in that zip code live in shitty neighborhoods, have bad parents and all kinds of things which work against them and make being normal incredibly difficult. But Jamarion was the only one to knife a 9 year old kid to death that day. He knew what he was doing, knew it was wrong even to the extent that he was the one who called 911 and reported himself.

I'm sure he had all kinds of problems and was dealing with things that no 12 year old should be subjected to. Wouldn't surprise me to learn he came from a horrible family that neglected and abused him. But my potential concern for Jamarion was cancelled out when he killed somebody else's kid. It's unfortunate he didn't get help earlier but it didn't happen and now all I care about is making sure he can't do anything like that ever again.

The system, including the damn "village" probably failed this kid. As much as schools and democrats drone on and on about "no child left behind" and all that nonsense, they often ignore aggressiveness in certain students out of racial bias yet flip out if another kid fashions a pop tart to look like a gun. I'm willing to bet this isn't the first instance of violent or sociopathic behavior from Jamarion.

With all due respect con yourself into believing whatever you want. I know enough about you to know that while not perfect your negative childhood life experiences don't compare to those of millions out there, very likely including this boy. Just like mine probably don't. What he did was horrible and you've heard me nearly cross the line in my commentary about black dysfunction many times, plus you know my 10 year old is the epicenter of my life so I can only imagine the parent's hurt.

All that said instead of running away to go act as though nothing happened while eating pizza with friends (or similar acts we've all heard about) he wanted to be held accountable immediately and stated he wants to die. That to me is a clue. That indicates something went very wrong for this child somewhere and should it not have happened, that there was likely hope for him. Now he's done and I'll absolutely guarantee you somebody out there he knows well worked hard to make it happen.

[SteyrAUG]

All that said instead of running away to go act as though nothing happened while eating pizza with friends (or similar acts we've all heard about) he wanted to be held accountable immediately and stated he wants to die. That to me is a clue. That indicates something went very wrong for this child somewhere and should it not have happened, that there was likely hope for him. Now he's done and I'll absolutely guarantee you somebody out there he knows well worked hard to make it happen.

With the same due respect, extended back to you, we are both on the outside looking in and assuming things.

While you see a kid that has recognized he has done something horrible and has "manned up" and demanded to accept the consequences of his actions, I see a kid who simply "never cared" and is probably doing nothing more than "going out strong" to show how "thug" he is.

You might be right, I might be right or the truth may be somewhere in the middle or something else entirely. But based on his actions and his words, I'm seeing a familiar trend. I just don't see any kid who is capable of "owning up" to his actions in the way you suggest being capable of going that far off the rails to begin with. If this was in any way "accidental" or a much less severe action, then I could be a lot more accommodating to your hypothesis.

But right now, based upon what we know, that's where I'm at.

[glocktogo]

With all due respect con yourself into believing whatever you want. I know enough about you to know that while not perfect your negative childhood life experiences don't compare to those of millions out there, very likely including this boy. Just like mine probably don't. What he did was horrible and you've heard me nearly cross the line in my commentary about black dysfunction many times, plus you know my 10 year old is the epicenter of my life so I can only imagine the parent's hurt.

All that said instead of running away to go act as though nothing happened while eating pizza with friends (or similar acts we've all heard about) he wanted to be held accountable immediately and stated he wants to die. That to me is a clue. That indicates something went very wrong for this child somewhere and should it not have happened, that there was likely hope for him. Now he's done and I'll absolutely guarantee you somebody out there he knows well worked hard to make it happen.

You make a compelling case for taking every adult in his life off the streets and interrogating them until we find the culprits. Of course we deal with the culprits by taking them out back and putting a bullet in their heads. That's not going to help this effed up kid, but it might save a few more the same fate.

Of course not one single person will be held accountable, by the system or their community. This is what we in the business call a clue. We're in a flat spin at this point, with very little chance we're going to recover before we hit the ground.