Counterfactual: The US Army Adopts The M42 .45 Uzi SMG As The M3 In Early 1942...

[Moose-Knuckle]

You may someday get your chance the way this country is devolving.

Well I didn't mean The Battle of the Alamo 2.0 . . . . BUUUUUT is it getting that way.

[sammage]

I just wished I could take a Conex container full of Kalashnikovs, PKMs, RPGs, mags, and ammo to the Alamo.

I like the cut of your jib. Just got a mental image of someone yelling Texas! from the ramparts.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d5/RedDawnWOLVERINES.jpg

[Sensei]

As a kid, I would fantasize about taking an M60 back to the American Revolution along with about 3000 rounds of ammo. Sounds crazy I know but something has to pre-occupy the mind of a 3rd grader.

[wildcard600]

I guess I've never heard that the Thompsons mags were so unreliable. I had an M1 in semi auto and used a lot of milsurp mags and never had any more mag related failures than any other semi auto carbine I've used.

That aside I doubt there would have been much of a difference if any. the exception possibly being with any troops that were issued the 1928 model Thompson vs the M1 pattern. The 1928 model with its Blish lock was known to be problematic if not properly maintained/lubed.

[JoshNC]

As a kid, I would fantasize about taking an M60 back to the American Revolution along with about 3000 rounds of ammo. Sounds crazy I know but something has to pre-occupy the mind of a 3rd grader.

Ha, that is too funny....I did the exact same thing! But my fantasy usually involved a Colt 639 Commando with moderator.

[JoshNC]

I think it would have had zero effect on the outcome. But, I believe we would likely still be using the full-size UZI, errr M3, chambered in 9mm today. I realize that to some degree there have been Greaseguns chambered in 9mm in use during Gulf War I (and maybe even to present day), but I think had the UZI been the M3 it remain in current inventory and be in much more widespread use.

One aspect that would have been sweet is even wider circulation of UZI parts, specifically barrels. I wish I'd bought more than three spare barrels for my Vector full-size UZI SMG when they were available. If it were US military issued, I think the spare parts would still be flowing like wine and instinctively flocking like the salmon of Capistrano.

[SteyrAUG]

I guess I've never heard that the Thompsons mags were so unreliable. I had an M1 in semi auto and used a lot of milsurp mags and never had any more mag related failures than any other semi auto carbine I've used.

The reliable magazine comment really was a reference to the single feed grease gun magazine more than the Thompson. The advantage of the Uzi over the Thompson is a smaller package due to the telescopic bolt, a couple pounds of weight saving and I suspect a more reliable SMG in the jungle.

But we are now talking about PKMs at the Alamo so let's go with that.

[SteyrAUG]

I think it would have had zero effect on the outcome. But, I believe we would likely still be using the full-size UZI, errr M3, chambered in 9mm today. I realize that to some degree there have been Greaseguns chambered in 9mm in use during Gulf War I (and maybe even to present day), but I think had the UZI been the M3 it remain in current inventory and be in much more widespread use.

One aspect that would have been sweet is even wider circulation of UZI parts, specifically barrels. I wish I'd bought more than three spare barrels for my Vector full-size UZI SMG when they were available. If it were US military issued, I think the spare parts would still be flowing like wine and instinctively flocking like the salmon of Capistrano.

And THAT is how you do a counterfactual. Thank you for pondering the possibilities.

[Todd00000]

But, I believe we would likely still be using the full-size UZI, errr M3, chambered in 9mm today. .

No way, Congress likes to buy new stuff.

Here's a great book on some things that truly made a difference during WWII.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Allies-Won.../dp/039331619X

[Big A]

I'd be willing to bet that the plastic grip panels and for-end of the UZI would be made of wood since plastics weren't used in the American firearms industry in the 40's. I'm curious as to how that would effect the overall weight of the gun (And I bet it would look pretty good like that too).

Also, is that your own personal UZI Steyr?