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I have a better counterfactual:
The War Dept. leaves John Garands original design as is chambered in a .276 Penderson cartridge, and the War Dept. changes from a 10 round clip to a 20 round box magazine, and we have the M14 20 years early.
How does that change the war?
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What I could have done with that back then.Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle
I too read that. I used properly, not just a static defense, they could have taken out the vast majority of the his army. With the stand-off of the PKM (they had nothing even close) they could just shot and relocate until his army was gone....or they ran out of ammo.
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probably still wouldn't change much. now take that garand back to 1914......
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I'm sure you've seen it, do remember this scene in We Were Soldiers Sgt. Major Plumley?
He chose a 1911 to counter human wave attacks as he felt the M16 was BB gun, wowsers!
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There is a lot of HELL YEAH in this post!What I could have done with that back then.
I too read that. I used properly, not just a static defense, they could have taken out the vast majority of the his army. With the stand-off of the PKM (they had nothing even close) they could just shot and relocate until his army was gone....or they ran out of ammo.
"In a nut shell, if it ever goes to Civil War, I'm afraid I'll be in the middle 70%, shooting at both sides" — 26 Inf
"We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18
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The real CSM Plumley was carrying an M14 that day, IIRC.
ETA: Here are a couple of my counterfactuals:
1-What if Heinz Guderian were born in, say, Bismarck, North Dakota instead of Kulm, West Prussia? Would the Christie chassis have become the basis of an American T-34?
2-What if the government had in 1936-38, instead of seeking to buy a long gun for support troops and seeking to streamline logistics going into the Second World War, sought a - let's say they would call it a machine carbine, a select-fire rifle utilizing an intermediate 30-caliber short cartridge - for general issue to the troops? Would they have developed an entire family of weapons chambered for this cartridge? Would the M1 Garand have immediately been moved into the province of a marksman's and sniper's rifle?
3-What if Werner von Braun had been born in the US instead of Germany? Would the US have developed "short" range ballistic missiles and deployed them during the war and - if so - would the nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been delivered by ballistic missile and not by B-29?
Of course, only one of these has anything to do with guns, so....
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