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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    Totally agreed, to an extent.

    This issue for me is that money talks. I'll gladly take a BCM with a used T1 over a new Noveske with an MBUS for the same price anyday.
    Not me. I do not like the accuracy that BCM has. Not impressed with it in comparison with my Noveskes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoPoweR View Post
    My friend has that rifle and it's great, very accurate and never had any issues with it shooting a wide variety of ammo. ROGtac has the upper on sale http://www.rogtac.com/noveske/uppers...moe-bc1-5.html
    This upper is NOT the skinny barrel, It is the medium contour "light carbine" barrel.

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    Noveske Skinny Carbine Moe

    Quote Originally Posted by docsherm View Post
    Not me. I do not like the accuracy that BCM has. Not impressed with it in comparison with my Noveskes.
    Doc, couldnt one argue that if Noveske rifles were THAT much more accurate than other makers, they would be the standard (military, civy etc.)? I think even most bench shooters wouldn't substitute if it were that much more accurate. There would be Noveskes everywhere. Im notbsaying they arent more accurate, just wondering if the difference is that substantial for most people. Not trying to start an argument. Just asking because my knowledge on the platform is novice at best and I truly want to hear yours and others opinion. Thank you.

    Edit: after a minute of pondering, I guess you can chalk it up to "its all in how much you want to spend in the end"
    Last edited by FIGJAM; 08-09-14 at 12:33. Reason: update comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    Finally got a chance to weigh both a 14.5" Noveske Skinny barrel and a 14.5" BCM ELW-F barrel.
    These are the only two 14.5" continuous tapered, lightweight profile barrels I have found (maybe Sionics will join them?). That and the fact they are both made by tier 1 companies makes for an apt comparison. The Noveske is cold hammer forged "machine gun" spec steel w/ thicker chrome lining, and it has the handguard cap shoulder. The details of BCMs awesome barrel can be found in the "New BCM barrel" thread.


    14.5" Noveske Skinny barrel 20.85oz measured (stripped)
    14.5" BCM Standard ELW-Fluted 20.55oz measured (stripped)

    Quote Originally Posted by jerrysimons View Post
    Some more info

    Gas Port diameters:
    BCM 14.5" Mid ELW-F, .078"
    Noveske 14.5" Mid Skinny, .088"

    Overall length:
    -Measured from the barrel shoulder
    BCM 14.5" Mid ELW-F, 14&1/16"
    Noveske 14.5" Mid Skinny, 14"

    -Measured from the barrel extenstion
    BCM 14.5" Mid ELW-F, 15"
    Noveske 14.5" Mid Skinny, 14&15/16"

    The BCM barrel is 1/16" longer than the Noveske.

    Profile diameters:
    Noveske 14.5" Mid Skinny
    - at barrel collar, .973"
    - about 1" ahead of barrel collar, .863"
    - about 6" bellow handguard cap shoulder .665"
    - about 3" bellow handguard cap shoulder, .625"
    - directly behind handguard cap shoulder, .608"
    - gas block, .625"
    - directly in front of gas block, .582"
    - directly behind muzzle device collar, .577"

    BCM 14.5" Mid ELW-F (not measured at the valley of the flutes)
    - at barrel collar, .977"
    - about 1" ahead of barrel collar, .780"
    - about 6" bellow gas block .690"
    - about 3" bellow gas block, .650"
    - directly behind gas block, .600"
    - gas block, .625"
    - directly in front of gas block, .575"
    - directly behind muzzle device collar, .575"

    The Noveske Skinny profile tappers faster than the BCM ELW and is actually thinner in diameter towards the base of the barrel. The ELW-F, however, is .3oz lighter due to the flutes (ELW-F is said to weigh .5oz less than the ELW on BCMs site, so the ELW is probably about .1oz or .2oz heavier than the Skinny). The ELW is thinner ahead of the gas block lending to the balance concept and use material where it is best served towards the chamber. While both barrels are tapered I would say the ELW is more linar in its taper over the whole length of the barrel. The Noveske tapers faster and is slightly thinner up to the gas block. For this reason I would venture a guess that the ELW profile is probably more ridged than the Skinny barrel and the ELW-Fluted is probably about same ridgity if just slightly more.

    I like how the BCM is already dimpled for a GB. The Noveske comes with a .625 gas block drilled for a pin and a pin, but if you want to use a different gas block you will either have to find one pre drilled for pinning, have one drilled for pinning, or have your barrel dimpled for a set screw in order to do it right.

    The steel BCM .625 GB is the same size as a .750 GB but just has a .625 diameter hole.
    The steel Noveske .625 GB is scaled down for the smaller diameter.





    I have the skinny barrel free floated. I haven't shot for groups with magnification or match ammo, but with an RDS and blaster ammo it is battle accurate, about 2-3 moa with a crappy shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIGJAM View Post
    Doc, couldnt one argue that if Noveske rifles were THAT much more accurate than other makers, they would be the standard (military, civy etc.)? I think even most bench shooters wouldn't substitute if it were that much more accurate. There would be Noveskes everywhere. Im notbsaying they arent more accurate, just wondering if the difference is that substantial for most people. Not trying to start an argument. Just asking because my knowledge on the platform is novice at best and I truly want to hear yours and others opinion. Thank you.

    Edit: after a minute of pondering, I guess you can chalk it up to "its all in how much you want to spend in the end"
    You are correct in your last statement. I have standardized to Noveske barrels on all but one rifle (I have a DD M4 also). Just because something is better does not mean that everyone will jump on-board and get it. Look at Colt, some of the worst barrels on the market when it comes to accuracy, yet their complete guns are very reliable and most people (GOV and CIV) will take that with a lower accuracy and price any day.

    I did a head to head comparison with a BCM 12.5" and a Noveske 12.5" (Lite with Chrome lining) two years ago with different ammo. After seeing the difference I was sold. Now the the Noveske SS barrels are just crazy accurate and not much comes close. Most people can't even shoot them to their potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docsherm View Post
    You are correct in your last statement. I have standardized to Noveske barrels on all but one rifle (I have a DD M4 also). Just because something is better does not mean that everyone will jump on-board and get it. Look at Colt, some of the worst barrels on the market when it comes to accuracy, yet their complete guns are very reliable and most people (GOV and CIV) will take that with a lower accuracy and price any day.

    I did a head to head comparison with a BCM 12.5" and a Noveske 12.5" (Lite with Chrome lining) two years ago with different ammo. After seeing the difference I was sold. Now the the Noveske SS barrels are just crazy accurate and not much comes close. Most people can't even shoot them to their potential.
    In your opinion can the average novice shooter see the difference in accuracy that you have found in BCM vs Noveske?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AztecViking View Post
    In your opinion can the average novice shooter see the difference in accuracy that you have found in BCM vs Noveske?
    Absolutely. I'm not a retired Tier 1 operator nor do I train everyday. I do have some shooting time behind the AR. I have 2 Noveske barrels. One is a 14.5" Afghan and the other is a 14.5" CHF. After shooting them the other day and actually comparing them to my other AR barrels(PSA CHF, Spike's LW), I'm completely sold on Noveske barrels. The accuracy was astounding. YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by sig1473 View Post
    Absolutely. I'm not a retired Tier 1 operator nor do I train everyday. I do have some shooting time behind the AR. I have 2 Noveske barrels. One is a 14.5" Afghan and the other is a 14.5" CHF. After shooting them the other day and actually comparing them to my other AR barrels(PSA CHF, Spike's LW), I'm completely sold on Noveske barrels. The accuracy was astounding. YMMV
    What he said......made it easy for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthward View Post
    The $780 rogtac sale - is not THAT overpriced, once you consider battle comp 1.5, BCG, and MBUS.
    With that said, it's still tought to beat BCMs offerings right now with their BCG and Mod1 on their 16s.
    No longer on sale. I waited too long They are $902.50 now. I'm kicking myself right now repeatedly.

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    Thanks guys. I'll definitely consider a Noveske once I feel I'm at that level of skill. I have one setup right now which serves it's intended purpose (14.5" BCM BFH lightweight). However I am not at a level where I feel that I am maximizing this guns potential, so the goal right now is to just get better.

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