St Louis falling apart...police shoot unarmed black teen...now face armed black teens

[tb-av]

Secondly, the next time you guys lament that "liberals", the MSM, and minorities just don't get the 2nd Amendment, ask you self what you have done to make them feel welcome in the community.

I can tell you when I was younger and had more of a social network practically everyone I was around was a Liberal. All of my friends. Vietnamese, Indian, White, Korean, Male, Female, Tree huggers... just all over the map. Even the microscopic element of them that were interested in guns ( white woman ) none of them felt like they needed to be invited to anything nor were they wanting of anything. They were who they were. They damn sure weren't outsiders.

Your question suggests Liberals are being held "outside". Liberals live in their Liberal world and have no intention nor desire to be anywhere else.

[Crow Hunter]

Do we even know the sequence of events yet?

I have heard 3 or 4 different stories and none of them sound plausible yet. Most of them are down right silly.

All I know for sure is that there was a police officer (deemed to be white but not confirmed) that initiated contact with Michael Brown and supposedly a single "friend" that was with him and is a "witness" while they were walking down the street minding their own business.

I have read that the officer initiated a stop while in the car and the "victim" was reaching into the car when he was shot.

I have read that the officer hit the "victim" with his car door and it closed on the cop and he got mad and shot him in the arm and then got out firing.

I have read that the officer got out and was talking to the "victim" and then there was a chase around the vehicle and down the street with the officer firing wildly.

I have also read that the officer hand "no right to be there" and he was out "hunting young black men to kill". I was half expecting them to say that the "victim" had iced tea and Skittles in his hoodie. I literally thought I was reading comments related to Zimmerman.

So is there an official sequence of events or is this all just standard MSM shaped narrative with a "trial by public opinion"?

[ptmccain]

So is there an official sequence of events, or is this all just standard MSM shaped narrative with a "trial by public opinion"?

Answers:
NO
and
YES

[Ryno12]

Answers:
NO
and
YES

You're in the St Louis area aren't you? With all your training, knowledge & weaponry, why don't you step in & put an end to this crap?

[a1fabweld]

[QUOTE=KTR03;1970039]

Where to start: "the majority of the black community" really? Any data to support that? It is taboo because statements like that are racist. Secondly, the next time you guys lament that "liberals", the MSM, and minorities just don't get the 2nd Amendment, ask you self what you have done to make them feel welcome in the community. Comments like this, make us all look bad, make it harder to preserve rights, and don't encourage the bridge building that needs to happen to preserve our rights. THe 2nd Amendment is no going to be saved by right of center, straight white men. It is going to be saved by woman, minorities, gays, and others. Your comments make that harder, not easier. Are there huge problems in the black community, yes absolutely. Are there instances where officers deploy lethal force long after they are out of immediate danger? Probably... This kid reached in to the car, and tried to get the officers gun, while the officer was seated and equipped with a retention holster? I suppose that's possible. Isn't it equally possible that the officer continued the fight and used lethal force after he was out of danger? If this was a white kid with a skateboard and a Che shirt in Seattle, would people be calling him a homie or a hood rat? Sort of doubt it.



One other question, from a training perspective: who initiates a contact with an unknown subject while seated in a patrol car.

Here's some data to support that: I'm giving you a formal invitation to spend some time in my "hood" to observe the "African American" culture. I'll set you up with a comfy recliner, shade, & an ice chest full of you favorite beverage. All I ask is you observe the area. The African Americans will whip out their dongs & take a piss, smash their 40oz bottles, & drop their grape Swisher Sweet wrappers right at your feet. You'll witness drug deals, prostitution, fatherless black kids being literally drug by their hand with feet dragging behind them on the way to the corner store by their mothers who are either looking to get laid, score a bag of dope, or pick up a couple 40's for dinner, etc... And God forbid you confront any of them about their savage behavior, you'll likely end up in a violent confrontation.

Thank God I don't live in this area & my beautiful family isn't subjected to this filth. I only work here. I've witnessed this savage behavior for 12 years now & it makes me sick every day. My opinions & views are based on what I see in the black community 5-7 days a week. These people are animals. The cops know it, other business owners know it, everyone know it except them. Anyone who calls me a racist can go FK themselves. You come down here & witness it for yourselves. After a while, you'll fell the same way. I guarantee it.

Accusing me of being racist doesn't produce the same reaction as Kryptonite does to Superman. IDGAF. I have to deal with these shitbags on a daily basis. Do you? My opinions are based on my personal first hand experiences "Coexisting" with them.

And unless Kayne West or Little Wayne endorse the NRA or 2A rights, you can bet your ass that the black community won't embrace them.

[TXBK]

As a majority would be greater than or equal to 51%, I stand by my statement as the majority is rotten and should be thrown out. This doesn't mean that I am racist, because there are plenty of other colored nuisances that need to go as well. It just so happens that the black community is the focus of this story.

I still believe that this conversation is considered taboo in this country, because no matter how many people feel this way, no one wants to talk about it in public from being worried about being labeled a racist. This is a subject that gets me excited, so I shall proceed to bow out of this and keep my further comments to myself.

I have already made my comment and bowed out. KTR03, if you must quote me, please do so correctly so others do not try to quote you and look like they are quoting me. Other than making a comment to a thread in General Discussion on a firearm forum, my comments have absolutely nothing to do with the Second Amendment. I have known and worked with several good people that were black, but I came to know them because they were employed and/or were seeking a college education. I am prejudice towards shitty, rotten people of all colors, and would appreciate not being called something that I am not. Thank you.

[tb-av]

I think something may be up with the quote feature... mine got screwed up too.... It seems to be putting the wrong user name in the quote the right one outside.

[KTR03]

[QUOTE=tb-av;1970044]

I can tell you when I was younger and had more of a social network practically everyone I was around was a Liberal. All of my friends. Vietnamese, Indian, White, Korean, Male, Female, Tree huggers... just all over the map. Even the microscopic element of them that were interested in guns ( white woman ) none of them felt like they needed to be invited to anything nor were they wanting of anything. They were who they were. They damn sure weren't outsiders.

Your question suggests Liberals are being held "outside". Liberals live in their Liberal world and have no intention nor desire to be anywhere else.

I am suggesting that when we have students that want to learn to shoot and defend themselves, they are turned off by the type of rhetoric and the attitude of some in the gun rights community. In WA state, the largest growing group of CCW/CPL holders are woman. We got suppressors and SBRs through 2 democratic houses and signed by 2 democratic governors. If you want to dismiss them as "living in their own liberal world..." fine but they are going to out vote us and slowly but surely we will lose ground. WE are better off continuing to reach out to communities not making sweeping generalizations like the "majority of the black community is rotten (so most of the 40 million black people in the country are rotten).

I'll let the thread get back "on track".

[tb-av]

I don't have a dog in the "black community" fight.... but Liberals are Liberals imo... I have zero problem shooting with and laughing with a Liberal. I will tell them they are nuts for voting for Obama. They will laugh at me and say oh yeah Romney was real prize,, or McCain.... I'm not going to be a different person and don't expect them to be either.... it's called honesty.....

btw.. check you quote in your last post.

[ptmccain]

You're in the St Louis area aren't you? With all your training, knowledge & weaponry, why don't you step in & put an end to this crap?

Hey, Chief, if you want, come on up and we'll take care of it together.