View Poll Results: All logistics aside, what do you think would be a sound M4 replacement?

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  • Improved DI 5.56 (SR-15 MOD 2)

    55 51.40%
  • Proprietary Upper/Lower Piston 6.8 SPC (LWRC Six8)

    8 7.48%
  • Piston 5.56

    18 16.82%
  • Proprietary Upper/Lower DI 6.8 SPC

    14 13.08%
  • Other (Please Specify)

    12 11.21%
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Thread: Theoretical and Completely Hypothetical M4 Replacement Poll

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thief Lord View Post
    Thanks. In fact I do...

    The OP asked of my opinion and I gave it. As an owner of a SCAR and a 6920, I believe I'd be more quick to rely on the piston platform because of how I've perceived its performance.

    Feel free to disagree with me, but to suggest I'm not experienced is unfounded.

    In my own personal opinion my go-to-war rifle would be piston-driven. Likely a HK416. Especially when I don't know the conditions I'm going to be in, I want a rifle I'm comfortable trusting.

    This is a poll, after all...
    I agree. I am an automatic gunner and these m27's (416) just run! Forever!
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    I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread and the associated poll. It's purposely limited, suggesting that it doesn't matter as much what people really think as they choose the best of the options offered. On top of that, nothing positive can or will result from discussing this again.

    Looks like just another Internet argument awaiting a lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thief Lord View Post
    Thanks. In fact I do...

    The OP asked of my opinion and I gave it. As an owner of a SCAR and a 6920, I believe I'd be more quick to rely on the piston platform because of how I've perceived its performance.

    Feel free to disagree with me, but to suggest I'm not experienced is unfounded.

    In my own personal opinion my go-to-war rifle would be piston-driven. Likely a HK416. Especially when I don't know the conditions I'm going to be in, I want a rifle I'm comfortable trusting.

    This is a poll, after all...
    Just wondering if you prefer the piston system why did you buy a colt 6920?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kremtok View Post
    I'm not sure I understand the point of this thread and the associated poll. It's purposely limited, suggesting that it doesn't matter as much what people really think as they choose the best of the options offered. On top of that, nothing positive can or will result from discussing this again.

    Looks like just another Internet argument awaiting a lock.
    Yup, looks like it's getting there already.

    The whole beauty of owning firearms is owning one that is, in your own subjective opinion, good.

    Clearly everyone's going to have a different opinion.

    By the way... What's your favorite Pokemon? My Charizard can kick your stupid Blastoise's ass, he resists Bulbasaur way more than yours can.

    As simple as that was, it's fairly close in analogy.

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiescometh View Post
    Just wondering if you prefer the piston system why did you buy a colt 6920?
    I like to dip my pen in different colors of ink, so to speak. It's not as if the DI system isn't reliable, in fact it's time tested to a much higher degree.

    Mostly, though, I bought it for the modularity. Can't slap whatever stock/rail I want on a SCAR.
    Last edited by The Thief Lord; 08-18-14 at 01:33.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacti-square View Post
    The reason LWRC went propri in the first place was because of magazine and feeding issues that arise when you try and cram a true intermediate round into a beefed-up .22 rifle. 6.8 magazines are crap; otherwise Magpul never would have gone through the trouble.
    Complete and utter crap.

    LWRC went proprietary because they thought they could coupled with the fact that Magpul couldn't make plastic mags for 6.8 in the standard dimensions of the AR mag well.

    LWRC is greedy and thought magpul pmags would be their meal ticket.

    Barret, Cproducts, ASC, PRI and I'm sure I've probably forgotten another one or two make metal 6.8 mags that fit and feed in standard AR platform lower mag wells just fine.
    Last edited by ColtSeavers; 08-18-14 at 01:40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thief Lord View Post
    This was my train of thought.

    Every piston rifle I've been around has been amazing. Less carbon, less gas in your face...

    I really do think piston is the future of the AR.
    *SIGH*

    Either you haven't been around many piston rifles or you simply don't understand the tech. Every piston rifle is amazing but the M4, with it's piston is not?

    Piston location does not change how much carbon a fired cartridge produces, only where the carbon gets dumped. Move the piston from the carrier to the gas block and guess what?- Your piston is still exposed to the same amount of carbon. Difference is, it's harder to apply a bit of oil to keep that carbon soft. The piston is also smaller in diameter and exposed to more heat when it's in the gas block. Piston in gas block systems have their downsides too.

    My choice to replace the M4 is the Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range- Only because someone is going to say it eventually and this time, I get to first
    Last edited by MistWolf; 08-18-14 at 01:59.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thief Lord View Post
    By the way... What's your favorite Pokemon? My Charizard can kick your stupid Blastoise's ass, he resists Bulbasaur way more than yours can.

    As simple as that was, it's fairly close in analogy.
    Never got into Pokemon. But if you want to talk about ponies, I'm your guy!

    How's that for compounding the analogy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColtSeavers View Post
    Complete and utter crap.

    LWRC went proprietary because they thought they could coupled with the fact that Magpul couldn't make plastic mags for 6.8 in the standard dimensions of the AR mag well.

    LWRC is greedy and thought magpul pmags would be their meal ticket.

    Barret, Cproducts, ASC, PRI and I'm sure I've probably forgotten another one or two make metal 6.8 mags that fit and feed in standard AR platform lower mag wells just fine.
    LWRCi developed the Six8 (specifically in the form of the UCIW), Magpul developed the 30 round Six8 PMAG, and ATK developed the 90gr Gold Dot 6.8 load for a FMS contract. They did not go "proprietary because they thought they could." Everything on the Six8 train hooks up to specific contracted specs, not to some misbegotten attempt to kickstart 6.8SPC commercial sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    My choice to replace the M4 is the Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 watt range- Only because someone is going to say it eventually and this time, I get to first
    Lets take it in increments, A high powered Gauss gun. No propellant besides electromagnetism and a huge projectile. Or we could stick with advanced propellant tech like caseless and caseless telescoping rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorphCross View Post
    Lets take it in increments, A high powered Gauss gun. No propellant besides electromagnetism and a huge projectile. Or we could stick with advanced propellant tech like caseless and caseless telescoping rounds.
    The 4mm Battlerailer is already on my "Bucket List". 75 grain VLD bullet electromagnetically accelerated to 5000 feet per second from a weapon with no more weight or recoil than an M16

    Last edited by MistWolf; 08-18-14 at 02:27.
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    1. ROAD-RUNNER LIFTS GLASS OF WATER- PULLING UP MATCH
    2. MATCH SCRATCHES ON MATCH-BOX
    3. MATCH LIGHTS FUSE TO TNT
    4. BOOM!
    5. HA-HA!!

    -WILE E. COYOTE, AUTHOR OF "EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE, I LEARNED FROM GOLDBERG & MURPHY"

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