Stop Glocking the Trigger (Michael Brown/Ferguson Related)

[T2C]

Umm, wasn't Brown wearing a hat and T-shirt? The information that has come out came from the families hired Coroner, unless i'm very much mistaken that coroner is trying to get access to the clothing and such to offer a more thorough report.

The video footage from the convenience store indicates he was wearing a short sleeve t-shirt.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Since we are all speculating. When I first saw that diagram on the news last night, my first thoughts were that those would be wounds I would expect from a right handed perp reaching into a vehicle getting shot by a seated right handed person in the driver's seat.

Wouldn't you expect the assailant to use his left hand to reach in? Just seems easier to reach across the officer to grab for the gun that way. Although if the Brown were punching the cop and just continued thru, that would probably be a right hand.

The two young women on CNN said the cop was reaching out and grabbing Brown by the throat. How tall is an SUV to get a seated figure to choke a 6'4 man?

From the video and stills of the shooting scene, can anyone comment if the shooting would be caught on the dash board cam? Was it probably not running if the lights weren't on?

[MorphCross]

From the video and stills of the shooting scene, can anyone comment if the shooting would be caught on the dash board cam? Was it probably not running if the lights weren't on?

A point that has been brought up numerous times before, Ferguson PD had the cameras, they had not been installed in those SUVs yet.

[AKDoug]

Wouldn't you expect the assailant to use his left hand to reach in? Just seems easier to reach across the officer to grab for the gun that way. Although if the Brown were punching the cop and just continued thru, that would probably be a right hand.

The two young women on CNN said the cop was reaching out and grabbing Brown by the throat. How tall is an SUV to get a seated figure to choke a 6'4 man?

From the video and stills of the shooting scene, can anyone comment if the shooting would be caught on the dash board cam? Was it probably not running if the lights weren't on?

No clue. As to a dash cam, it probably wouldn't have caught any action at the driver's door.

[Averageman]

Just an observation and a question or two.
Did this young man ever play football as a defensive lineman?
Think about how that would play out from the perspective of a Cop or a Quarterback.
He is running at you square hes tucked and comming through the line head down full speed, he isn't Bruce Lee, but he is fighting with what he knows works for him.
He simply shot the target that became available from the stance and movement of the target toward him.

[tb-av]

Here is something I saw and heard from an official representative. Did not see it mentioned yet.

At least one of the wounds on the arm ---- could have entered ----- from the arms being raised in a surrender position. He then raised his arms... in a manner similar to what we all do in shooting drills, comps, .... NOT... like what you see the people on TV doing but rather a lower surrender positioning of the arms ex. fingertips just above head or at face level. He then touched his arm which wold be the part that rubs your side. That sort of inside part of your arm.

He said the shot could have entered from that angle and the bullet pass through to those upper areas.

Also the coroner stated the top of head wound was the killer that the others would not have necessarily been fatal however the one in top of head ( as though the head bent forward as in falling or charging ) and directly to brain was absolutely a fatal shot.

They recovered 3 bullets from the body.

The bladed stance would be consistent with one turning back to the officer but that arm shot that could have gone in from raised or lowered arms probably suggests he was at the least... in the process of turning of turning and raising arms at same time.

IOW, imagine I am running from you.... You yell freeze... I turn and as doing so I raise my arms.. As my body and arm turn and raise it would allow for the shot to enter as that official noted but that would suggest you hardly gave me a chance to actually turn around and surrender..................... unless of course you thought you saw a gun also as I turned....... but it turned out to be a box of cigars after the fact. I haven't heard any reports that suggest the officer thought he saw gun though. This shooting while turning would also support the "shot in the back" reports because from certain angles it would appear nearly that and then easily exaggerated.

[tb-av]

Just an observation and a question or two.
Did this young man ever play football as a defensive lineman?
Think about how that would play out from the perspective of a Cop or a Quarterback.
He is running at you square hes tucked and comming through the line head down full speed, he isn't Bruce Lee, but he is fighting with what he knows works for him.
He simply shot the target that became available from the stance and movement of the target toward him.

That is in fact what the girl said on the call in audio. That Brown leaned over and charged finally dropping only a couple feet from officer. I don't know how far gun shot residue travels but if it was that close you would think it would be in his hair or hat. I don't know when they say no GSR do they mean only his body or his body and clothes?

[montanadave]

We need to see the incident report filed by Officer Wilson. And I still want to know if there was a shot fired while Officer Wilson was still in his vehicle while he and Brown allegedly struggled for his firearm.

[tb-av]

If you believe the friend that called in his version, then yes, a shot was fired. Unless that call was a hoax, then certainly you can't hide that one. There's going to evidence in the car.

in reference to the report....

After airing the audio, Don Lemon cautioned viewers that, as with any witness account, this is unproven and simply just another side of the story. However, he noted, CNN confirmed that Josie’s account of the story matches what the network’s sources say police have told investigators.

So now they need to release the officer reports and drug tests as well as drug tests on Brown. ... and just to clarify... I'm not suggesting the officer was impaired... in fact I don't think he would have shot such a straight vertical line if he were but certainly he must submit to a drug test to assure he too was not impaired in that regard and that he could reasonably discern that Brown indeed was. I'm not trying to expand the thread... this is directly related to the gun shot pattern and accounting as to how they came to be.

[C4IGrant]

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This is a technical discussion of the autopsy. All but one round landed on the left side of the target which speaks volumes about the user-equipment interface and training. None of the upper extremity wounds were fight stoppers. The wound to the right chest and zone 1 of the neck are potential life threatening but not immediately incapacitating. The round to the top of the head might have been fatal or a graze depending on the trajectory. My suspicion is that the eye wound ended the fight.

Without knowing the position of the "attacker," it is hard to say for sure, but knowing that most people will do ALL THEY CAN to be square to a target, I will make the assumption that the Police Officer was right handed and as with MOST right handed shooters (firing their Glock rapidly), the trigger is PUSHED to the left as it was pulled to the rear.

So par for the course from experience teaching "new" or inexperienced shooters how to run a Glock.


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