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    Quote Originally Posted by SPQR476 View Post
    I'm obviously a bit biased, of course, but I can't help but throw in. I believe in the product. I'd bet the farm on the GEN M3 side by side against anything ever made, because we've tested pretty much everything ever made. Abuse tests are great, and we certainly build for extremely impressive performance there, too, across all temperatures and conditions, but if it won't run 6k+++ without a hitch in hot, cold, dust, it's not really worth wasting time on.

    Follow-on magazine improvement programs are bringing forth some interesting issues, because if you can't get failures in endurance testing, you can't tell if you've improved.

    When the reliability is measured in MRBF that exceeds barrel life...is that enough? We don't think so, and we keep pushing.
    I love PMAGs, but my issue with plastic magazines will always be the plastic. With any future federal ban on magazines likely to be permanent, I want my (normally disposable) magazines to last as long as possible.

    Maybe it's a mental thing. Maybe it's totally irrelevent. But in my mind an aluminum magazine (specifically referring to the feedlips) will outlive a polymer magazine. I will take a USGI Green follower magazine over a PMAG any day if it's the last magazine I'm ever going to be able to own. Am I off base here?

    For the record - I own 50+ M3 PMags. I was issued PMags in the USMC. They have been extremely reliable in every AR I've ever used them in. This isn't a bash Pmag post. This is a pro-aluminum post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I love PMAGs, but my issue with plastic magazines will always be the plastic. With any future federal ban on magazines likely to be permanent, I want my (normally disposable) magazines to last as long as possible.

    Maybe it's a mental thing. Maybe it's totally irrelevent. But in my mind an aluminum magazine (specifically referring to the feedlips) will outlive a polymer magazine. I will take a USGI Green follower magazine over a PMAG any day if it's the last magazine I'm ever going to be able to own. Am I off base here?

    For the record - I own 50+ M3 PMags. I was issued PMags in the USMC. They have been extremely reliable in every AR I've ever used them in. This isn't a bash Pmag post. This is a pro-aluminum post.
    Already discussed at length for several pages in another thread. The life of good polymer, at least what we use, is nearly eternal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIP3R 237 View Post
    Duane, I understand that most of it is under wraps, but have you ever thought of releasing some of the tourture information on the Gen 3's? If you have and I am not aware of it i apologize in advance.
    We have an initiative that is doing some continuing side x side testing for release, and we'll probably start showing more of what we've done already. We've also long had a policy of not releasing our test data when it refers to others in the marketplace just due to a perception of bias, but we may re-evaluate that position at some point to set the record straight with video and other evidence, if necessary. We do our testing with large enough sample sizes and with strict control measures that anyone is welcome to replicate. Dust boxes, multi-axis drops on the same mag, multi-axis full weapon drops on the same mag, floorplate endurance, mag well ripout, -60 to 180, tac-reload repetition, magazine monopod firing, etc., with FEEDING and FUNCTIONING testing on the backside. We do some testing that we won't release because it's secret sauce that helps us maintain QC that is difficult to attain, but most will likely be released.

    The expectations of modern magazine performance are pretty amazing, but it's difficult to see the true differences without LARGE samples. If you fire 2,000 rounds through 6 magazines in a week-long, mega training class, and you have 2 stoppages the entire time...was it ammo? Was the gun dry? Was it the mag? Feed ramp sharp? We tend to make excuses for our gear when running it hard. In that context, if it was 2, or even one magazine-related failures in 2k rounds...heads would roll, here, or at least we certainly would consider that an abysmal failure and launch an investigation as to why.

    The USGI is something of a nameless, faceless standard that we don't mind showing the weaknesses of, but manufacturer DEFINITELY matters. Coming from Brownells, I'm very familiar with the aluminum magazine, what it takes to make one, what it's good at, and what it's not, and I don't feel uncomfortable with good aluminum mags with our follower. I'm just more likely to scrap an aluminum and replace it if there's any question whatsoever about impacts to the feed lips, body sides, etc., and I clean them. I treat PMAGs like I treat Glocks. Unkindly.
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    USGI mags and PMAGs/EMAGs are what I rely on the most. I didn't run the Troy mags long enough to give an honest assessment, but they appear to be GTG. The Lancers are good, just not enough time with them beyond a few mags at the range. The steel AR Stoner mags have been running reliably so far. I've had some issue with the Cammenga Easy Mags. I only have one, which I got to try out. Won't be buying another and won't pass it off. It'll stay in the bag and be used strictly for static duty at the range.
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    Most reliable? Show me the data is the question I would ask.

    I've found C-Products GI style magazines to be of good quality, however, I am not in a combat zone, nor do I play one on TV or in the mall.

    I also have Pmags and a bunch of HK proprietary and standard magazines, all of which I also find of good quality.

    Saying any one is better than another would be difficult given my generally positive experience with most of them.

    Tapco is about the only brand I would definitely call clearly questionable, but I'm sure there are folks on the internet who would disagree.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess this topic is already well covered in an number of threads found using the search function.

    We've also long had a policy of not releasing our test data when it refers to others in the marketplace just due to a perception of bias
    - Yep, smart move, as I'm sure it would eventually involve lawyers and judges!
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    Most reliable 5.56 magazine? That is easy: HK G36 mag, with Beryl green mag close behind

    Seriously, going back to M4 world: my experience is that good quality polymer mags will be reliable for very long time. Of course those also can and will wear out or break - as every man made thing. From current crop best bet would be Magpul Gen3 and HK polymer mag. I reviewed both for magazine article and found that each of those have small edge over other in some areas but it was minor in both cases. It is obvious that both maker used different set of design criteria, but both put lot of effort in R&D and extensive testing and this shows. What is most amazing in HK, it is that they managed to get this level of reliability in fully polymer, translucent mag. On the other hand in one does not need translucent, Magpul Gen3 is best bet.

    BTW I had some problems with small capacity Magpul mags (P-Mag 20 and Pmag-10 Gen3), but 30 (E-mag and P-Mag Gen3) and 40 (P-Mag Gen3) round versions always worked good for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPQR476 View Post
    We have an initiative that is doing some continuing side x side testing for release, and we'll probably start showing more of what we've done already. We've also long had a policy of not releasing our test data when it refers to others in the marketplace just due to a perception of bias, but we may re-evaluate that position at some point to set the record straight with video and other evidence, if necessary. We do our testing with large enough sample sizes and with strict control measures that anyone is welcome to replicate. Dust boxes, multi-axis drops on the same mag, multi-axis full weapon drops on the same mag, floorplate endurance, mag well ripout, -60 to 180, tac-reload repetition, magazine monopod firing, etc., with FEEDING and FUNCTIONING testing on the backside. We do some testing that we won't release because it's secret sauce that helps us maintain QC that is difficult to attain, but most will likely be released.

    The expectations of modern magazine performance are pretty amazing, but it's difficult to see the true differences without LARGE samples. If you fire 2,000 rounds through 6 magazines in a week-long, mega training class, and you have 2 stoppages the entire time...was it ammo? Was the gun dry? Was it the mag? Feed ramp sharp? We tend to make excuses for our gear when running it hard. In that context, if it was 2, or even one magazine-related failures in 2k rounds...heads would roll, here, or at least we certainly would consider that an abysmal failure and launch an investigation as to why.

    The USGI is something of a nameless, faceless standard that we don't mind showing the weaknesses of, but manufacturer DEFINITELY matters. Coming from Brownells, I'm very familiar with the aluminum magazine, what it takes to make one, what it's good at, and what it's not, and I don't feel uncomfortable with good aluminum mags with our follower. I'm just more likely to scrap an aluminum and replace it if there's any question whatsoever about impacts to the feed lips, body sides, etc., and I clean them. I treat PMAGs like I treat Glocks. Unkindly.
    Duane Thank you for sharing. I didn't know you came from Brownells. Those are my favorite aluminium magazines by far. I have many 30 rounders with your foliage follower in them.

    I got into a physical while on duty with my AR slung across my chest. I kneed a guy so hard that it crushed the bottom of the mag body around the baseplate (and left me with a decent scar). I left it loaded and took it out of the rotation. On the next range trip, it functioned flawlessly. I still trashed it due to the damage, but it inspired more confidence in quality aluminum mags.

    Though, I'm fairly certain a PMAG would have been fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    I got into a physical while on duty with my AR slung across my chest. I kneed a guy so hard that it crushed the bottom of the mag body around the baseplate (and left me with a decent scar). I left it loaded and took it out of the rotation. On the next range trip, it functioned flawlessly.
    I'm not sure what is more impressive. That you crushed an aluminum mag while kneeing a perp or that it still worked.
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    Holy crap dude!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BufordTJustice View Post
    I kneed a guy so hard that it crushed the bottom of the mag body around the baseplate.
    I've always had good luck with pmags, lancers, and NHMGT mags.

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    I have been running the "Enhanced" Tan Follower USGI magazines in classes and three gun events since 06/2012, with roughly 9,000rds fired in several AR's with only two magazine related failures which was both caused by operator damage.

    Twice my dumped magazines struck a rock and damaged the feed lips that I didn't immediately notice when reloading which caused a malfunction, other then that just a simple cleaning with a magazine brush and soapy water was all the maintenance required once a year.

    Seems the tan follower magazines are once again entering the market were the common negotiated price is about $5.00 each if purchased in larger lots of 20 or more.
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