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I'm obviously a bit biased, of course, but I can't help but throw in. I believe in the product. I'd bet the farm on the GEN M3 side by side against anything ever made, because we've tested pretty much everything ever made. Abuse tests are great, and we certainly build for extremely impressive performance there, too, across all temperatures and conditions, but if it won't run 6k+++ without a hitch in hot, cold, dust, it's not really worth wasting time on.
Follow-on magazine improvement programs are bringing forth some interesting issues, because if you can't get failures in endurance testing, you can't tell if you've improved.
When the reliability is measured in MRBF that exceeds barrel life...is that enough? We don't think so, and we keep pushing.
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I have limited experience compared to many (most?) on this forum but this is what I stick to:
Magpul PMAG (any other than Gen2 straight walled 20's)
Lancer L5 AWM (although I've noticed a particular failure to drop free under the right conditions with the mostly-clear 30's)
Good USGI 30's especially with a Magpul anti tilt follower (I really like NHMTG but there are others too, okay, labelle, D&H, etc
20 round NHMTG/Colt/USGI (these might be the single most reliable at feeding, but don't really work as a monopod, 'only' hold 20, and are not as durable when abused as some polymer options)
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I consider the genM3 PMAG and the Lancer AWM to be the finest mags currently available. I use and abuse both without reservation. I buy both whenever I can.
Duane, I too would love to see some of this torture test info. The GenM3 PMAG certainly addressed all of the issues I sat with the PMAG revM. It is excellent.
"That thing looks about as enjoyable as a bowl of exploding dicks." - Magic_Salad0892
"The body cannot go where the mind has not already been."
By far the worst magazine I have ever ran. Had less problems with the old black follower USGI magazines.
I currently use a mix of USGIs, Lancers, and Pmags without hesitation. Every one has failed at some point - mostly due to external forces. Longevity isn't an issue, unless you have serious cash for ammo you aren't going to wear them out, and if you do its what? $10-15 for a new one? It costs that much just to load it up with quality ammo.
Rick
It is almost a case by case type thing. Meaning, it depends on YOUR gun. Some AR's don't work well with PMAGs and so on. If we are saying "all around" meaning will work with a wide range of platforms, probably a quality USGI mag with a Magpul follower.
HK's new clear polymer mag has been working well for many people as well.
C4
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STANAG pattern aluminum whether 30 or 20.
PMAG
Lancer L5AWM/TangoDown MK2
In order of reliability on feeding and drop free.
Lancer L5AWM
PMAG
TangoDown MK2
STANAG pattern
In order of long term durability of the feed lips.
Lancer/PMAG
STANAG Pattern Aluminum
TangoDown MK2
In order of User serviceability.
Pick the one that matters the most to you.
Troy Battlemags
USGI 30rd mags with magpul followers
Brownell's (tactical) 30rd mags with magpul followers (no ranger floorplates)
Brownell's (tactical) 20rd mags with their followers (no ranger floorplates)
2 Surefire 60rd magazines
All run fine in my ARs. No problems to date (knock on wood).
I pretty much agree with the above posts.
I'll just add that I've never really experienced problems with USGI mags made by Center Industries, although I've heard a few stories from people who've had isolated issues.
Supposedly the tan follower mags are less popular than the earlier green follower mags.
Really though, I'd say that a new NHMTG mag with a MagPul follower is about the apex of reliability for the money.
Nothing wrong with Pmags; I just don't care for them.
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