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Thread: Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?

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    I've met Jesse Jane before. She was a friendly, nice, down to earth person. Her Pirates and Pirates 2 movies were done pretty well. Pirates 2 was in 2008. I actually liked Pirates 1 better though. That scene of her and Carmen Luvana was very very entertaining to say the least. She was a feature guest entertainer at the adult establishment I was working at at the time. She gave the staff signed free polaroids and signed our DVDs we brought for free. Her shows were definitely good too. They were certainly better than the vast majority of feature entertainers.

    Hodge Defense will get its share of the market. Just like Wilson, Les Baer, Ed Brown, and Nighthawk get a piece of the 1911 market, there will be a market for Hodge Defense. There will always be a demanding group of consumers who want to buy top tier items and demand the best. There will also be people who bash those people just because they don't want to pay that amount or can't afford it. Each to his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Fit is how well the tolerances are held.
    -what tolerances on this rifle are held and why?

    Finish (...) specifies how rough surfaces are allowed to be and what kind of coatings are to be used. Parts with surfaces that are rougher than allowed drag against each other. Parts incorrectly coated or incorrectly hardened can gall, wear, drag, corrode, crack and have other problems.
    - how is the finish on this product any different than buying the parts elsewhere?

    So many are spoiled by the fact that ARs afford us the luxury of being able to assemble from parts, a well running rifle with minimal tools and effort, they lose sight of the importance of how much difference that attention to the little details make and how much extra time and cost it adds to a production rifle.
    -how much difference does it make, specifically why is this rifle better because of it?

    You also have to ask yourself what other details they got right, such as gas port diameter, buffer weight and spring rate, that make the shooting experience that much better.
    -what gas port size is specified?

    We have seen many knowledgeable people stop participating on this site and we are much the poorer as a result. One reason is the disrespect they have been subjected to by the unwashed masses.
    - I dont think anyone has been disrespectful, we are just asking that they explain their support. This is WHY they are respected on this site.
    I don't expect these questions to be answered by members on this site, as the owner has offered to talk with anyone interested (which I think is great). I am simply showing the reason why so many are annoyed by this thread. Facts about products are what make this site great, and not stuff like the way the selector makes you feel warm and fuzzy when you engage it.

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    How will the anodizing match between upper and lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    How will the anodizing match between upper and lower?
    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    Appears they are painted to me, maybe Duracoat

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    At any price point, you get a certain amount of quality and a certain amount of features. Adherence to tolerances (fit) surface finish & coatings (finish) keeping processes under control including adherence to material specifications (attention to detail) are all quality items. Upgraded furniture, upgraded coatings (like Ceracoat etc.), and so on, are features. While the Hodge rifle is just a basic AR (due to it's lack of features) it's still a quality rifle due to it's fit, finish and attention to detail. I haven't shot the rifle or even seen it in person, but the description of some of the things done shows attention to detail and quality fit & finish that is found in fine firearm. A bolt action rifle can be screwed together by an amateur or, lovingly crafted by a master gunsmith. Both rifles will have the same features but the higher quality, due to better fit, finish and attention to detail, of the latter will be readily apparent. The action will run smoother and the rifle will be more reliable and durable because the parts will have been properly fitted. It will also cost more because of labor and because the master gunsmith will make sure each of the small parts meets the standard expected of a fine firearm. It's like buying an optic. At a certain price point, you either get quality optics or lots of features. To get both, you really pay through the nose. If I can't afford the features and the quality I want, I forego the features to get the quality
    Last edited by MistWolf; 08-22-14 at 14:17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    ...I think a lot of people would be well served by not judging to quickly, and rather welcoming new products and hoping that they succeed. If the default reaction is to always refer to what is currently regarded as the "best", people are too set in their ways, to be honest. And splitting hairs on the thread title really shows that people only want to comment, rather than actually having something to say...
    We all might have been better served by having this rifle introduced by it's creator rather than a customer. But, alas, that ship has sailed and we have to "run what we brung", so to speak and go with what an, apparently, satisfied customer had to say. Unfortunately, his presentation left something to be desired causing the "unwashed masses" to be less than impressed and rightly so. Perhaps a few first-hand range reports and some reports from a pro (or two) about hard use in some classes might have assuaged the concerns of the aforementioned "unwashed masses" but that wasn't included in the happy buyers comments. Another problem is that most in this thread are trying to discuss something based on limited info and more limited experience. Maybe in a month or two we can have a "do-over" and lesson the butthurt that's creeping in on this thread. But what do I know?

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    I dont care what brand (KAC, BCM, Noveske, Hodge, DD etc.) it is or how accurate someone says it still is or if the SME's say "slop doesnt effect the function". If my rifle had slop between the receivers, I'd be pissed. If you hear a sqeak or rattle inside your car, it may still drive and get you from A to B but at the end of the day you stilll feel like you own a POS. Nobody ever bought a rifle because they were told "sure the tolerances are off and the receivers are loose with a huge gap, but it still functions". Call it "fit and finish", call it "attention to detail" , call it "strict adherance to tolerances and/or clearances", doesn't matter. I'd pay for it. Some people care, some don't.
    Last edited by FIGJAM; 08-22-14 at 16:18. Reason: Further clarification

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    Tolerances and clearances aren't the same thing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMS951 View Post
    Basic economics 101, if you can not produce a product at a competitive price you are either not building it right, or there is no place for it in the market.
    I disagree. Look at all of the companies that stay in business making cars, watches, beer, or jewelry that don't meet the "I can buy better for less" acid test.

    Paul Howe had a fleet of DPMS guns that ran perfectly well for him. I built a sub-MOA (with match ammo) 16" carbine with a used M&P15 barrel, a DPMS lower, and a blem BCM upper in my basement that runs like a raped ape. That doesn't mean Noveske or BCM are going out of business next month because I paid a fraction of their going rate for my build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orionz06 View Post
    Tolerances and clearances aren't the same thing....
    That being said, neither tolerances nor clearances should be compromised. My opinion remains the same.

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