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Thread: Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by comprido View Post
    You are wrong. Disclosing whether you got a product for free or were paid to endorse the product is obviously the ethically correct thing and most people understand that.

    Why does it matter? You know exactly why, but I'll spell it out anyway. If someone receives got a $2k rifle for free, he might be inclined (maybe just on a subconscious level) to say good things about the product. It's pretty flattering to be selected to be given a $2k rifle to use (and eventually review). That might creep into your review. It's not shilling, but it is worth taking into account.

    If someone is a bit more shady, he might consciously say good things about a product because he likes getting free stuff, and people tend not to give you free stuff if they think you are going to bad mouth them.

    Further, since we are calling BS, I'll call BS on you being someone in a position to respond to my question. (Since you yourself write reviews and take photos of gear, maybe this subject hits a little too close to home? You seem strangely upset that I even asked the question.)

    Regardless of how long SMGLEE has been on this board, it's a fair question. Longevity on a board doesn't mean someone is above shilling for a product, or more likely, that someone is immune to the psychology I talked about above.. He should disclose how he got a product that doesn't appear to be commercially available. If his reputation is above reproach, then it won't matter much. (I'll confess that I don't understand SMGLEEs place in the firearms world or why I'm supposed to think that he is above reproach and his opinion can't be questioned. I thought he was the fellow that goes to SHOT Show and takes pictures, and he also takes a bunch of tactical training classes.)

    the totality of the highly credible posters who have made positive comments --- Who here besides SMGLEE has even handled one of these rifles? Some people seem to know Hodge himself and vouch for him, but maybe I missed the other reviews from highly credible posters.

    (And maybe he spent $2k on the rifle. I don't know. That's why I'm asking.)
    Precisely.

    And this is one of the biggest reasons the gun magazines on your grocery store shelf are typically ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comprido View Post
    I only read the first 5 pages. Did Hodge address the question about why LE/MIL RESTRICTED is stamped on the lower?
    I was curious about that as well. It doesn't seem to have a magazine lock that's required on off list lowers in California either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    ... this is a hammered forged barrel with a Hodge spec barrel extension.
    I believe its been established that the barrels are from Daniel Defense or FN. Just so I'm clear, am I to understand that Hodge Defense manufacturers custom barrel extensions and then sends them to DD or FN to complete the barrels?
    Last edited by MarkG; 08-23-14 at 20:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearedHot View Post
    I was curious about that as well. It doesn't seem to have a magazine lock that's required on off list lowers in California either.
    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    The stamping is not part of the AU-MOD1 rifle, none of the commerically available AU-MOD1 will have that marking.
    There you go.

    Edit: Sorry, it did not cap the part where the person was asking about the roll mark.

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    The barrel manufacturer has not been disclosed thus far. All that's been said is this from texasjim of Hodge Defense:
    Quote Originally Posted by texasjim
    Another example, say one wants a CHF barrel, there are two main options, FN & DD.
    Now, granted, those are two very reputable companies, but he does not actually state that either or both of them are the manufacturers of the barrels used by him.

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    Here's a really crazy idea how about you ask the man himself about the answers you seek and for anyone thinks that SMGLEE is a shill needs to get their brain checked. He already said he bought his so everyone just simmer down. Jeez talk about wanting to eat your own. Gun owners are by far the biggest drama Llama's around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Really? All the stupid chit you read and this is what you grabs your attention?? You might want to re-read the thread again.

    Every quality AR manufacturer/armorer has tricks, trade secrets and dimensional changes to their products that makes their stuff better. Hodge Defense is no different. So if the owner does not want to give the public every single detail, then thats the way it is. Don't believe what is being said to you about the rifle? That is fine. Drive on and buy something that you feel is better.

    Read what I wrote again. Jim is a PROFESSIONAL weaponizer for uncle sugar. That means that he is and was paid for his knowledge on building fighting weapons for the best of the best. That right there should tell you that the guy knows all about "competent assembly."



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    Yes. People have a right to question a $2000 price tag when a review of a service grade weapon that is outfitted with a service grade barre is heavily concentrated on fit, finish, and attention to detail, with analogies to Wilson, Rolex and Ferrari.

    People are not asking questions about Hodge receiver blueprints or technical secrets. However, if proprietary dimensions are brought to potential customers' attention, then the immediate next question "what does it do for me?" Your response of "this is not for you if you want to ask questions" was absolutely inappropriate. I don't think that Mr. Hodge, with his credentials, needs anyone's help to defend his product. He may choose to say why he changed dimensions, he may not. Let readers decide, but don't insult people's intelligence with "don't ask about secrets".

    I am glad that there is another vetted and qualified AR builder that community can turn to, but the way of introducing him to the world could not be more controversial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasahara View Post
    There you go.

    Edit: Sorry, it did not cap the part where the person was asking about the roll mark.
    I see that, but it still doesn't answer how an individual with an off list lower in California can get around having to install a mag lock (Bullet Button) while in CA?

    I thought the LE marking might have had something to do with that, but SMGLEE clarified that the rifle was his personal rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoochild View Post
    Gun owners are by far the biggest drama Llama's around.
    Nahh, check out bow guys on their big forum.

    Is a good looking rifle, 2K alittle much for this guy.
    Last edited by SSGGlock; 08-23-14 at 21:58.

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    I just lost the response I had typed..

    From what I can gather, this rifle is for someone who might have a little extra money in his pocket, and wants something different than the BCMs, Colts, DDs that we see everywhere (but even then the SR15 makes more sense at that price point). It's for the dude who cares about small touches. I think the majority of the membership here couldn't care less about receiver play or a thermal fit on a standard barrel. I do think that the thermal fit could come into play later with a match grade barrel though. The new material sounds cool and ever since I first heard about it I've been anxiously waiting.

    This particular rifle doesn't do anything for me. I will definitely keep my eye on Hodge for future products though. Some people that it highly respect use his stuff. That's enough for me.
    "When the time for performance has arrived, the time for preparation had passed."
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