Not sure I like the idea of "fitted" AR parts. It isn't a 1911.
That being said, there are luxury items in every market sector. I don't see this as any different than what Noveske does.
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Not sure I like the idea of "fitted" AR parts. It isn't a 1911.
That being said, there are luxury items in every market sector. I don't see this as any different than what Noveske does.
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I am very interested in this new carbine. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for.....that is why OBRs are not $500.
I am not trying to be argumentative, More like getting this back on track and away from the off topics crap.
So my question is what is different about this carbine and a Noveske CHF Chrome Lined? What makes it better? As far as I am concerned Noveske is the Gold Standard for comparison. So head to head what make Hodge Defense better?
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I can see why some are annoyed, but when SMEs and major contributors like SMG, F2S, and M4Guru vet an assembler I am listening. Their words may not be absolute, but I hold them in high esteem. There are no outrageous claims as to 'this is tactical as shit' or 'this thing will punch sub moa groups at 200yds all day with WWB', just that extra attention to detail is being paid to every build. Not sure why there is so much hate. If you dont like it, dont buy it.
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Let's be civil here and debate the merits of this rifle and it's particulars. We don't need to spray all over the lawn to establish territory.
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I disagree. It is fair to point out that it was not only posed as a question but also posed a opinion by an industry professional. The OPs background and credibility lends weight to is opinion. To me that means he should be thoughtful in what he states, as it to be taken seriously.
I also have some issue posing it as a question, the question it instills in me is 'am I meant to answer that question for myself from his review?' I would think it is unprofessional to make the statements of 'being the best' or even posing it as a question with little to no technical information being given to be able draw a conclusion.
I appreciate the industry professionals enthusiasm of this company and it's rifles. But to me I did find a lack of professionalism in the way it was presented in the OP. I would have liked to have seen better pictures and descriptions of the aspects that set this rifle apart and been left to my own devices to ask myself the question of if it was the best and to form my opinion of it. The pictures and detailed description would have spoken for themselves.
No dog in the fight, though Chen is a friend. Since our EPS and one of its features (0.030" extra length) was mentioned I'll jump in and give some clarification (Hodge Defense carbine does not use BAD-EPS but its own)
0.030" longer length makes the pin easier to grasp (by giving the user more room to pinch and pull) once the pin has been pushed in from the left side. The EPS includes other features to facilitate that, without making the pin head on the right any larger (EPS has a lower profile on the right side than even standard pins). An oversized take down pin head (on the right side) interferes with the operation of an ambidextrous selector's right lever.
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This thread has opinions from many of my favorite people to read on M4C. To be honest, it's still a bit confusing. My takeaway is this:
1. Hodge Defense AR is akin to a high end 1911 where in the main lower and uppers are built in house, but all the other parts are sourced from premium suppliers and then assembled by an individual with the appropriate skill and with the appropriate attention to detail that a custom AR at this price point deserves.
2. There is still relatively few data points to give a large statistical sample regarding reliability, durability, and actually combat use. This is due to the "newness" of the rifle, however, current usage indicates that the trajectory is very good with regard to these categories.
3. You get what you pay for.
If the above can be an accurate summation of the point of this thread, I'd be interested in purchasing one. I guess my question would be more to the actual shooting of the gun compared to my SR15. Does the Hodge rifle shoot as softly? How does it feel in the hand, i.e. most people point to the balance of the SR15? Accuracy is always something we are concerned about, but that seems to be addressed.
If some of this conversation could be directed more toward these areas, it might serve to diffuse some of the consternation that some people have.
I would also agree that "fit and finish" is more than just paint job matching. To me, fit and finish denotes how the parts move in conjunction with each other, the smoothness of pins, upper/lower receiver fit, charging handle smoothness, selector manipulation, etc.
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I don't know Jim and have never handled one of his products.
But what is in bold is very important. It's one thing that very few, if any, other AR manufacturers can claim. I am of course assuming that the "one person" is always the same person and is Jim Hodge. If I were to buy one of his guns, that would be one of the top reasons why (maybe the top reason).
I have bought guns which were put together like crap, and they came from the top names in the business. The problem with guns (and many other products) is that you never know who actually put yours together.
I'm one of those guys that believes if you give identical AR parts to a few different guys (and told them to build a gun), the guns would most likely come out very different. I think the person building the AR makes a big difference. It's one of the reasons why I generally build my own now. I don't want to roll the dice and hope I get a good gun simply based on a list of parts and specs.
Jim, thank you for posting in this thread. I hope you continue to do so.
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