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    I only read the first 5 pages. Did Hodge address the question about why LE/MIL RESTRICTED is stamped on the lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    Out of multiple insane things I read in this thread this one takes the cake, Grant. I have three ARs and all of them are in 2K range; in fact, two MSTN ones have uppers alone approaching that price. However, besides knowing that a master craftsman put them together, I know exactly why they cost what they do cost.

    On a subject, fit, finish and proprietary dimensions of a 200-400 yard range rifle that shoots 5.56 present next to zero interest to me. Competent assembly does, but there is a translational benefit to that; I've not heard much about that here.
    the cost of all the parts added together is about 1500.00, adding the FET fees, Dealer profit margin, you end up with a 2000.00 rifle. this is not counting the investment put into the forging. its up to you to determine if it is worth it for a gun that is build with this much attention to detail.


    Quote Originally Posted by comprido View Post
    I only read the first 5 pages. Did Hodge address the question about why LE/MIL RESTRICTED is stamped on the lower?
    The stamping is not part of the AU-MOD1 rifle, none of the commerically available AU-MOD1 will have that marking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeedRacer View Post
    I don't know Jim Hodge personally, but as previously stated his name is held in high regard in the industry. Other people whose opinions are also held in high regard have nothing but positive things to say about the rifles he builds. That alone, for me, makes his products worth an honest look. Specs aren't everything, and I wouldn't be quick to disregard any product without first hand experience. Besides, there's always room for more quality products in the industry. It's what keeps it moving forward and driving innovation. If years ago everyone said "why do we need BCM, or Noveske when _______ already exists" we would have missed out on a lot of great innovations and baseline quality improvement.
    I agree, alot of truth to this post. While I'm a bit skeptical about new products, I think its hard to pass judgement without actually having hands on it and shooting one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    Therein lies the rub. We have a 19 page thread on "AR15 prices falling like bricks." Now we have a thread about a $2K+ carbine and a naturally circumspect audience is being told how great it is and that it compares to a Wilson 1911. Well a Wilson 1911 has over a quarter century of proven performance. As was pointed out, not even the Wilson AR has successfully lived up to that standard.

    I don't think anyone here is saying this is a bad AR. We're attempting to assess value for our money. We're attempting to quantify the value to the end user. One thing a high dollar Wilson 1911 has is resale value. How will we the prospective buyer convince 2nd hand buyers of this value? We can't quantify that it was assembled with a special secret sauce and is therefore worth the extra money.

    What some of us are trying to say is that the proprietor seems to have some proprietary manufacturing or assembly of this AR that make it worth the extra coin, but that it's proprietary and can't be quantified other than "feel". Well without a no questions asked money back guarantee, many of us can't afford to drop over $2K on something we haven't felt and are being asked for our trust.

    Market penetration depends on far more than a quality product. When BCM has a "Filthy 14" out there that has over 40K rounds downrange, that is a tangible we can sell to ourselves, our spouses and whomever we may wish to resell to in the future. I have zero disrespect for anyone posting here, but this thread will not achieve the intended effect of getting more Hodge Defense carbines on the range in the hands of M4C members in it's current form.

    If it's worth every penny of it's asking price, it should be fairly easy to quantify what makes it worth that price.
    I see what you are saying. But at the same time, I have to say not everything is immediately quantifiable. This may take a while to sort out. The cost to proformance ratio may be there, may not be there, but I haven't picked one up and ran it so I can't comment on that.

    When the guys who say Hodge is good to go are the mods, I can see where some might think it's a little scetchy. But I trusted this forum to help my skill set and it did. I trusted the reviews and comments on which gear to spend my not so great among of cash on. So if they say he is the real deal, ill take them at their word. Time will tell all.

    I do know that I would love to get my hands on one for T&E just to satisfy my own curiosity.
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    See you soon, AC.

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    SMGlee, Mr. Hodge,

    Can you talk about what is meant by this spec:

    "thermal fit before final torque of the barrel nut"

    Thank you for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpico1985 View Post
    SMGlee, Mr. Hodge,

    Can you talk about what is meant by this spec:

    "thermal fit before final torque of the barrel nut"

    Thank you for your time.
    It's an old precision rifle trick.....Hodge heat up the upper receiver to friction fit the barrel into the upper, this is a hammered forged barrel with a Hodge spec barrel extension.

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    Sounds like they are great receivers, when can I buy a stripped combo?

    I want to know more about the special receiver magic coming down the pipe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post


    The stamping is not part of the AU-MOD1 rifle, none of the commerically available AU-MOD1 will have that marking.
    I might have missed it but has anyone asked if SGMLEE bought the weapon or if he was given one to test and write about? (Fair question all the way around, and even more fair since SGMLEE seems to have one that isn't commercially available.)

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    The Rolex and car analogies really need to stop. They are really off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comprido View Post
    I might have missed it but has anyone asked if SGMLEE bought the weapon or if he was given one to test and write about? (Fair question all the way around, and even more fair since SGMLEE seems to have one that isn't commercially available.)
    Yes...I can provide the receipt in private msg



    Quote Originally Posted by TinyCrumb View Post
    The Rolex and car analogies really need to stop. They are really off base.
    Why is it off base? I think it's relevant to the discussion as Hosge represent the same type of craftsmanship

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