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    Quote Originally Posted by texasjim View Post
    Hello gentlemen. Much of you have asked what makes the MOD1 any different than other rifles you champion here on M4Carbine.net. Before answering this, please keep this in mind. Like stated before, I have consulted for many companies which you are familiar with, for longer than this sight has been up. Please consider that most of the parts I have chosen came from companies I have been close with for more than a decade. What does this mean? It means the MOD1 has a little of me from other companies. You ask for IP, I cannot wholly say all of the components featured in my brand come from my intellectual property, but when asked by those manufacturing the parts, my input is tendered, and you see a reflection of that in my MOD1. Like stated before, I am not new to this industry, and have a humble and respectful reputation in the industry. Ask around, call a buddy in the business, vet me...

    I was once told, you haven't been in business for 1 year, you been in this business for more than a dozen, you just went commercial in the past year.

    The rifle is a sum of it parts, and the care behind building it, it's not just one proprietary element. Look at the other companies you/we covet here. KAC, BCM, DD, Noveske, COLT... Great guns, and fit a certain niche in the market. I truly love these brands, and they are inspiring to me as companies go, though it was time for me to come out from behind the curtain and take a chance in an over populated industry.

    If you like a CHF, CL, 1/7 mid gas barrel, well then your options get more narrow. If you like a Geissele SMR rail coming from the factory, then again your options narrow. If you like investment cast parts replaced by bar-stock parts, again you dwindle in you brand choices. My uppers and lowers will work just fine with other brands. The long term use on my specs have proven not to be an problem at all, as we have customers who have 30k plus with no hick-ups. Have we had issues, not much, but yup. We have seen bolt lugs sheer twice, one cam pin fail, and that's it. (Knock on wood). What is proprietary, FOR NOW, is my dimensions on the upper and lower. There are other components on my MOD1 which I have helped design along the way.

    For those who need end user feedback, I am blessed to have a following of sophisticated professionals. That is all I will say about my "non-commercial" customers.

    For those who want specific dimensions on gas port sizes, and the specific type III hard coat I use, etc... Please consider, if it performs to your standard, or more, what difference will it make if we argue on the semantics of opinion.

    For the LEO/Mil roll marks... Good story behind my decision on that. During the last run on these types of rifles, there were a bunch in the media saying "I don't see the need for the public to have those types of rifles" "we believe our military, and law enforcement should be the only ones who have that type of firepower"... Evil me decided, screw it, I am putting the roll mark on my brand as a reminder that even "John Q" has the right to own one of these rifles. It's kinda a FU to the media...nothing more, nothing less.

    Why is gun worth the street price of 2k? It's expensive to build to MY spec. I don't deal direct to the consumer at this time. For admin reasons, and logistics, I developed a dist./dealer network. The parts alone are high, then FET, then Admin costs, then profit, and then profit to my dealers. It all adds up.

    Why is my carbine better, it may not be for you, but it is for my buyers. You don't have to buy into anything me or someone else says here, find one, test drive it, and you will come to your own conclusion.

    MOD2, tooling up for it now. Working with some distinguished organizations, and manufactures to produce an enhanced carbine the industry has yet to see. Back to you IP guys... Upper, lower, come from enhanced forgings I had a major role in designing, as well as a handguard per my design. The operating system will be basically the same as the MOD 1, though will have more ambi control.

    Hot tits Hulahan in the OP, well she is hot, but I like brunettes...and therefor if you go to my website of FB page you will understand I don't employ hot girls for ad campaigns or media.

    By the way...if anyone can tell me what the clover represents, I'll give you a cookie.

    Have a great rest f the weekend,

    Jim Hodge
    Thanks for the personal input.

    Is it the Shamrock from the 101st Airborne in WWII?

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    It a clear to me the next evolution of the AR platform is in material design. BCMs aluminum/magnesium alloy rail. V7WS's super aluminum/selective use of titanium, now news of Hodge Defense new reciever forgings. Cool things on the horizon! Still waiting on a completely ambi lower like LWRCs IC lower, except one that works with Gen 3 pmags...

    Looking forward to the MOD2, so far I see an integral trigger guard, and threaded bolt catch pin/screw.

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    It works with all generations of PMAGs after the second bolt catch was redesigned.
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    I look forward to the laughs many of us are going to have about this in a year or two, when Hodge has been vetted and is likely to be mentioned among the other top, boutique AR manufacturers out there. Jim seems to be on the right track and is doing things his way. Nothing wrong with that.

    As in many a new business, there are always the initial critiques that come from the larger industry. But eventually, many of those critics become the very same people who later on are saying, "hey, can you do that for me?"
    Life is full of choices. I choose Noveske.

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    Question

    I'm still wondering how a civilian individual with a non MIL/LE issued weapon (despite being stamped for MIL/LE/GOV use only) can run Surefire 60 round mags and a standard, non locking mag release legally in CA...


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    Quote Originally Posted by YVK View Post
    Yes. People have a right to question a $2000 price tag when a review of a service grade weapon that is outfitted with a service grade barre is heavily concentrated on fit, finish, and attention to detail, with analogies to Wilson, Rolex and Ferrari.
    Only if that info doesn't lead to other manufacturers learning their trade secrets.

    People are not asking questions about Hodge receiver blueprints or technical secrets. However, if proprietary dimensions are brought to potential customers' attention, then the immediate next question "what does it do for me?" Your response of "this is not for you if you want to ask questions" was absolutely inappropriate. I don't think that Mr. Hodge, with his credentials, needs anyone's help to defend his product. He may choose to say why he changed dimensions, he may not. Let readers decide, but don't insult people's intelligence with "don't ask about secrets".

    I am glad that there is another vetted and qualified AR builder that community can turn to, but the way of introducing him to the world could not be more controversial.
    Asking what does it do for me is a reasonable question, but we really didn't see a lot of that in this thread. As I said, most of the high end manufacturers have tricks and secrets. They just have never come on a forum and told you about them (so you didn't know to ask). Now one has and people are upset that they won't spill the beans.

    This wasn't a "coming out" party for Hodge Defense. They have been selling rifles for a while now. The average AR owner just hasn't heard about it. SMGLee just wrote some thoughts about his new AR. To my knowledge, he is not the marketing director for HD.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpico1985 View Post
    While these Hodge Defense rifles clearly don't appeal to everyone there is an appeal to some of us. I for one enjoy reading up on and hearing about assembly techniques that enhance the rifle, even if only on a minute level. Jim Hodge/Hodge Defense is a self-proclaimed OCD freak and agonizes over the minutiae of a rifle build (so it seems). Let’s look at an example of a “minute” detail involved in a rifle build:

    Grant and others have stated that when building a rifle it is wise to avoid torqueing to the higher value of the acceptable torque range on the barrel nut and muzzle device. Does it really make a difference if you end up at 70 or 80 foot pounds on your barrel nut instead of 40 or 50? Should you even worry about how hard your torqueing the muzzle device? Is that really going to affect accuracy? Yes, it likely will on a small, nearly unperceivable level.

    Now imagine a rifle builder that worries at this level about EVERY aspect of a gun. When you combine all the untold number of minute details that make rifles function easier, better, smoother, which by themselves you may never notice, you should be rewarded with a rifle that simply IS better, is more “correct” or ideal in reference to the weapons design and function. To me it is very easy to see how the attention to all those details can give a rifle a feel that……well you just can't really put in words or causes you to use analogies to convey its unnamable awesomeness.

    SMGLee, thanks for bringing these rifles to our attention. I’ve seen Hodge Defense around the past year or so but honestly haven’t given them much thought. Not anymore.

    For those interested:

    Solider Systems Daily Visits Hodge Defense

    And

    Sneak peak of AU Mod 2 at Warrior Expo...
    The AR world is ABSOLUTELY full of OCD people. Noveske has made a good living selling $2K + AR's to this crowd. Why? They love fit and finish and Noveske does a good job catering to this group. So IMHO, HD will offer the same attention to detail and do well in the high end AR world.



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    Quote Originally Posted by comprido View Post
    You forgot vague references to the builder's history of work overseas and of building rifles for people "who shoot bad people in the face" ie Tier 1/2/SOF, etc. (Though I'm sure if anyone asks for clarification on what the builder did overseas we quickly hear something about not needing to know and would quickly get a "stay in your lane.")
    True! Man you are on it! Yes, the people that are actively doing that kind of work do not run to the errornet to tell everyone who they are and what they do.

    Not everyone needs to know everything.


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    I'm a bit sad I opened this thread....

    I think what sets everyone off is the title. "Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?" It screams click bait.

    What constitutes the "Best Carbine" Is very subjective to begin with. I think the original post needs to have more meat so people can figure out if this is the rifle for them. If that happened you would not have all the school girls in here bitching about what is the best.

    Personally I look for reliable innovation over "fit and finish", others are the opposite. Like I said very subjective and a very personal choice. This thread is actually doing a disservice to the manufacture instead of brining a little know manufacture to the front and giving a detailed analysis of the products in the first post.

    I also have to say "The build and finish of this weapon is akin to a Wilson 1911" is just plain dumb.... I will go on record... your will never find and AR that lives up to that level of detailed craftsmanship, I don't care who make is..
    Last edited by Digital_Damage; 08-25-14 at 10:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Damage View Post
    I'm a bit sad I opened this thread....

    I think what sets everyone off is the title. "Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?" It screams click bait.
    Good point. Would likely have gone over more politely had the title been "keep your eyes peeled for Hodge Defense" or something.
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