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Thread: Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorBurn View Post
    Me, I'm looking at the sources of the information about Hodge Defense (SMGLee and Failure2Stop) so I'll be keeping an eye on Hodge Defense if I ever decide to purchase a "top tier" AR.
    I would like to see a measurable point of the claimed quality instead of the vague "attention to detail" comments. The rifle has very basic and readily available components (rail, stock, grip), no details on the barrel and BCG that set them apart from others, and forged receivers that look like many others. The trigger is the QMS, which is OK, but still the cheaper ALG trigger. I just installed one yesterday but it's nothing special. I'm not really sure how much more can be done with common parts other than installing them properly, so I want to know why this build is different.

    EDIT: and why the "restricted LE" engraving? Is that on all of them? Is that what people want? Copying Colt?
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    I was thinking the same thing on the trigger. $2k or more for the rifle and the first thing half of M4C would want to do is upgrade the FCG.

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    Don't get so wrapped up in what components are being used. It should be what the builder does with those parts that is important.

    I think the 1911 analogy is pretty darn close, the receiver forging with its over sized lugs and measurements and tolerance to fit makes this a special carbine, those dimensions and specs are also exclusive to Hodge Defense, those are the behind the scene effort put into building this particular rifle.

    Hammered forged barrel, 1:7 twist with chrome lined and M4 feed ramp... Sure... You can buy those parts for around 1600 dollars, but then again, you can't get the specially dimensioned forged upper and lower and the time he spent to fit those parts together.

    Later this year, Hodge will release some pretty damn cool stuff, with company Alcoa Defense no less....it is what i am holding my breath for.

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    I'm kind of in the "what makes it great" crowd. Because of you and F2S endorsing I'll definitely keep them on my radar, but it's hard to embrace a high-end AR with a somewhat stealthy reputation. Kind of how a KAC firearm would get you lots of "how MUCH was it!!!" comments at the range. SMGLee, can you take some pictures on the inside? BCG, feed ramps, etc?

    Secondarily, what's with the restricted firearm markings? It appears very Colt-ish in that regard, despite the clearly different logo on the opposite side of the mag well.

    Can't wait to see what you're hyping as his new offerings. Perhaps that will help settle the restless natives.

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    I believe I read somewhere online that they were using Daniel Defense barrels.
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    I'll get some more pictures...but like i have said it is a rifle that is more on workmanship rather than what kind of parts on it.

    As far as the markings, it is a personal build for me, instead of the 16.1" barrel with his gas block, I had his 14.5" barrel with Gieselle gas block installed instead.

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    I can see why people would get extremely annoyed by threads like this.

    Never heard of Hodge Defense until just now. Checked out their site (which is annoying as hell, BTW). Some observations:

    -No manufacturer listed on the BCG, barrel or gas block. If they are that good, why not be transparent? These are three of the most important parts that say a lot about a company.
    -A $40 ALG QMS trigger on a $2k+ rifle? It's a nice trigger. But why not source the G2S in bulk?
    -Layout-wise, it's an exact copy of the BCM Jack (which is one of my favorite layouts). But again I don't see what's so unique. Hodge makes it sound like they researched some kind of magic setup here. EVERYONE and their brother has a rifle setup like this.
    -No BUIS included? The official site lists nothing for the $2k+ price.
    -Too many unnecessary roll marks and restricted marks. Retarded. (Sometimes I feel like it's a bunch of dudes sitting in the shop saying, "So how can we make this product unique? I GOT IT! Let's engrave skulls and annoying logos all over it. DONE!")

    Specs and claims aside, it's a custom rifle. A hodgepodge (har har) of parts that ANY qualified armorer or custom shop worth their salt could easily source and assemble. So they machine a non-ambi selector and a teardrop FA out of bar stock in-house? And they hand fit a few parts? Who cares? Every custom builder who knows what they're doing should be doing this in 2014.

    I'd rarely say this but I'd argue this rifle could be done significantly better, for less. Especially right now at this moment. You'd have to be insane to buy this. This is nothing like a KAC or BCM, with proven, R&D worthy, in-house proprietary parts. The 1911 analogies don't hold up (for me).

    All that aside, really great photos SMG. I wish them success even though I'd never consider this rifle and it clearly isn't marketed toward me or anyone I know.

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    I'm going to ask an obvious question. At this price point, what does the Hodge rifle give us that a KAC SR-15 E3 doesn't?

    More importantly, what does the KAC SR-15 E3 give us that the Hodge doesn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    I'm going to ask an obvious question. At this price point, what does the Hodge rifle give us that a KAC SR-15 E3 doesn't?

    More importantly, what does the KAC SR-15 E3 give us that the Hodge doesn't?
    Honestly when I look at the $2K price point I judge everything against the SR15. Besides the Grip and Charging Handle I do not see what the Hodge offers to me that is better than the KAC, admittedly I do prefer the Geissele Hand Guards over the KAC, but quality is equal IMO. Of course being built correctly is a huge thing, but I have confidence in KAC in that aspect as well. So at this point I would chose the SR15 every time. Maybe once their new project is released we shall all be enlightened.

    http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/stor...id_product=107
    Honestly I would have a hard time choosing the Hodge over the Sionics Patrol MK2. Spec wise they are pretty similar, and both will be built right, but the Sionics comes in at a much friendlier price point.
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    This is an incredibly irritating thread. We see huge claims being made with no evidence to back them up. Fit and finish? Seriously, that is what we are accepting as being the best now? My BCM fits tight and didnt come with a scratch on it. Plus it has nearly identical parts...and cost less! This thread is blowing my mind right now, its completely opposite of the M4C credo.

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