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Thread: Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?

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    I guess you gotta be in the loop of what is coming from Hodge to be excited.

    Lack of real specs has left me wondering. It being called hand fit here and then a working gun here (http://soldiersystems.net/2013/08/26...fense-au-mod1/). Add a scope mount bridging the upper/rail and this has left a bad taste in my mouth.
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    Guys, it is hard to convey the workmanship and the attention to detail. i get your frustration. I am trying to figure out if i can get better pictures or even make a video about it.

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    looking forward to hearing more about these next gen forgings...

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    Posters who rave about "fit and finish" of their lower tier M4geries vice Colt or fitament of upper and lower get flamed in a big way and reminded fit and finish isn't as important as specs, but this thread seems to promote the reverse. Even Wilson Combat is taken to task as not up to carbines on the chart. That said watching with interest.
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    I get it. This isnt for me as building a carbine myself is one of my favorite things of the platform. But I would not put myself on the same level as a professional armorer and i believe that is something worth paying for if desired.
    I think the custom forgings are interesting, but would be interested in what they improve on. Does the upper improve more so than the Vltor MUR or BCM4 uppers?
    I think the SR15 is in its own class as it offers multiple improvements to the platform that you can't find anywhere else. I wouldn't personally compare the two.
    Also whats with all this 'fit and finish' talk? Say that about a Colt and all you hear is 'they build guns for duty not safe queens...'
    That said, I respect they for striving for quality and advance the platform. We all benefit from innovation and I am interested in the future projects that have been alluded to.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    This is an incredibly irritating thread. We see huge claims being made with no evidence to back them up. Fit and finish? Seriously, that is what we are accepting as being the best now? My BCM fits tight and didnt come with a scratch on it. Plus it has nearly identical parts...and cost less! This thread is blowing my mind right now, its completely opposite of the M4C credo.
    You have said it all. I can only add that this is a very poor way to introduce this rifle. I am not impressed.

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    My thoughts are Fit and Finish may not be the correct word as much as strict dimensional tolerances and uniformity of anodized surfaces. This would mean more to me than simple Fit and Finish.
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    What I have gotten from this thread is that Hodge Defense is a company to watch and not because of the rifle SMG Lee reviewed. Great pics and looking forward to seeing what they come out regarding the alternative alloys.

    This rifle is probably just to get their name out there and build a little but of credibility. It doesn't sound like they are basing their entire business off the Mod 1 reviewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowSpeed_HighDrag View Post
    This is an incredibly irritating thread. We see huge claims being made with no evidence to back them up. Fit and finish? Seriously, that is what we are accepting as being the best now? My BCM fits tight and didnt come with a scratch on it. Plus it has nearly identical parts...and cost less! This thread is blowing my mind right now, its completely opposite of the M4C credo.
    Pretty much. No disrespect to SMGLee, but I would have assumed more focus would have been on the working parts of the gun, and what justifies the $2,000 price tag, rather than a pic of Jesse holding the rifle (she is hot though). At least with the KAC SR15, you know you're getting a proprietary bolt, ambidextrous lower, KAC 2-stage trigger, KAC flip-up BUIS, gas system tuning, etc. Well worth the price of admission. Working with Alcoa is pretty cool, but what's so special about their forgings compared to mil-spec? This hype reminds me of the hype behind the Warsport LVOA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSparks909 View Post
    Working with Alcoa is pretty cool
    I worked for an Alcoa owned company before I became a mechanic. The conditions were pretty terrible, I got chemical pneumonia around 7 or 8 times because the machines weren't properly sealed and an exhaust system was non-existent. We were told the coolants used were perfectly safe even though the company purchased cortisone cream by the pallet for the horrible rashes that burned and itched like nothing else. A friend was actually scalped by a machine because the doors didn't close properly even though they had been told about the problem numerous times but again "rigged it" and called it good. People were hurt all the time because the machines were rigged to "just run a little longer". Nothing terrified you more than when a spindle failed and the part started beating the doors open. 100 to 200 lb parts spinning at 10,000 RPMs flying through the air is enough to make you lose bladder control.

    It was by far the most dangerous job I ever worked. I worked what they called "rework" for a short time trying to remove chatter marks, raw forging marks that had been missed by our mach that was off because rigging it to run was more important than the employees life, and many other problems with the aluminum forgings. These weren't small parts, they were for Tractor Trailer, Bus, and Heavy Machinery. If this stuff failed it had the potential to kill more than just the person using it. They batch tested everything, not a good idea for something used on highways and roads. I ran most every machine there and was certified for fork-lifts, front loaders, industrial sweepers, and even made it to supervisory position. I ended up having to quit, my Doc had warned me the next chemical pneumonia could be my last.

    So no, Alcoa is not "pretty cool" in my experience. This was years ago. In my experience though big companies don't change, they just find a way around the rules. I stay away from anything they make or own if possible, including Reynolds Aluminum foil.
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