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Thread: Hodge Defense--Best Carbine money can buy?

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    If I were to enter the ar15 business, I would do it as bcm does: give a few rifles to certain instructors for lending it to their students. Let them really wring it out, And take every bit of feedback they offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianc142 View Post
    ...I wish Mr. Hodge the best and appreciate him taking the time to chime in on his rifle bashing thread.
    We would actually have to know something about his rifle to bash it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianc142 View Post
    You guys are a tough bunch. I would hate to try to sell a darn thing to some of you. I don't know Hodge from Adam but I've heard his name quite a few times over the years by some folks I respect in the industry. That doesn't mean I'm going to run out and buy one of his rifle right now. If you don't like his product, don't buy it. It's as simple as that. There's no no need to bash the rifle, the website or anything else. A simple "good luck with your endeavor" would have sufficed. What I see is a one man show trying to deliver a quality product and make a living at it. No more, no less. I wish Mr. Hodge the best and appreciate him taking the time to chime in on his rifle bashing thread.
    Nobody is bashing the company, just stating the obvious. In fact, the usual suspects that hammer down on the folks that come here talking up a company that puts a majority of other company's parts on their own receiver set for 2 grand with an emphasis on upper/lower fit and finish are nowhere to be seen. And responses like "your rifle doesn't have any scratches, shoot that thing!!" or "restricted markings are sooo operator" would have been in the first five responses if this were a '14er talking up a new internet parts assembler they found.

    Future offerings from this company may be something to keep an eye on but this rifle could be built by most members here on a Tuesday night with a better trigger and selector, with sights, for less money. It is what it is. I don't see how this rifle differentiates itself from any other rifle with quality parts on the market. Best carbine money can buy? Hardly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScatmanCrothers View Post
    Future offerings from this company may be something to keep an eye on but this rifle could be built by most members here on a Tuesday night with a better trigger and selector, with sights, for less money. It is what it is. I don't see how this rifle differentiates itself from any other rifle with quality parts on the market. Best carbine money can buy? Hardly.
    Try building that rifle on a Tuesday night for less money when you're paying things like the FET, wages, the light bill, and 20 other different things. Saying you can build something for less money is disingenuous and outright silly when you look at factors other than building it on your kitchen table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Try building that rifle on a Tuesday night for less money when you're paying things like the FET, wages, the light bill, and 20 other different things. Saying you can build something for less money is disingenuous and outright silly when you look at factors other than building it on your kitchen table.
    What is "disingenuous and outright silly" is marketing something made with off the shelf parts that CAN be built on a kitchen table and then charging almost twice what it can be built it for. If I am going to pay that price, it better bring something special that I can't get or make to the table.

    There is nothing unique about this rifle other than the receiver set which I would like to know how it is better than the 2AA lightweight Helios billet set and the Aero Precision forged set that I turned in to rifles rhis week with off the shelf, quality components. Both sets fit together as well as any I have ever handled.
    Last edited by DWood; 08-22-14 at 09:26.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClearedHot View Post
    BTW, were the pics in the OP taken before or after T&E? The hammer and lower look remarkably new and un-worn for a weapon that supposedly has had 3k rounds put through it...

    I tested the rifle with the OEM parts, which is the QMS trigger, I upgraded to a Gueselle SSA-E recently after I concluded the test.

    Detective work would show the difference in hammer design between the OEM hammer and the upgraded SSA-E hammer....;-)

    BTW.....Jesse Jane was a part if a photoshoot....it has nothing to do with Hodege rifle other then it was part of the prop during the shoot....

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    RESTRICTED LE/GOV engraved on the lower??

    Seriously? Get out of here with that nonsense....

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    This thread...

    If I weren't the Mod's favorite pissing post, I'd love to fire up DWood even more!
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    Here is another article on Hodge from the NRA.

    http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...8#/add2d3f8/10

    I'm not exactly impartial, as Jim is a close friend of mine. Not for nothing though, one of the reasons I like him so much is the way he approaches his business and products. I know how much thought and planning goes into every roll pin and detent spring to ensure they're the best available, even if a cut corner would have had little consequence. When we first met, I asked what was different about his rifles. There are the small details you'll feel a difference with...the perfect safety, the enhanced takedown pins, the enhanced billet bolt catch, and Jim's proprietary home-brew paintbrush-applied factory lubricant...when you handle the gun. But the answer was really, "I build every gun as perfect as possible out of the best parts I can get." I get that some people might not prefer certain features...I changed the grip and trigger on mine for a K2 and SD-E. But to compare the rifle in general to "something anyone could do better at home" is a plain fallacy. I joke with Jim and tell him the safety and takedown pins are as crisp and precise as my trigger, and stuff like that matters to me. After I got two rifles from a popular uber-manufacturer (in reality an assembler...like most) last year that were non-functional (one didn't have an indexing pin on the barrel and the brake was cross-threaded on the muzzle, the other wouldn't shoot 8" at 50 yards due to a grossly out of spec barrel), and I've grown to notice details and choose not to believe the hype these days. Like others in this thread, my personal gold standard for carbines is the KAC SR-15. I think it represents the best that our industry has done with the DI AR15's operating system and quality, due to the tremendous talent, institutional knowledge, and technology KAC has. I see what Hodge has in the cooker, and I see the potential for that level of innovation and excellence in other areas of the AR-pattern rifle, all from a 1 man show with a couple of helpers, and some friends he's made an impression on along the way.

    I wouldn't write Hodge off because of a forum post, or because a happy customer otherwise unrelated to the company took a picture with a porn star because he is that happy with his purchase (which I am grateful for). While I don't think anyone would disagree, this is my personal opinion and doesn't reflect the opinions of my employer, etc. etc. The MOD1 is greater than the sum of it's parts sitting in a box, and I've happily got the one I bought sitting here beside me. It's got thousands of rounds through it (10K+??), I don't keep track on my guns like I used to, but I'd say it's filthy to the point it can never be clean again. Mostly suppressed no less, and I've used it for high-volume testing and a host of other things I normally wouldn't volunteer my personal guns for, and it's still my go-to rifle. Many of my friends use them, many guys you folks would know through industry associations as well as some end users. Never an issue, never anything but boring reliability and accuracy. That's not free folks, as I'm sure on the other side of the coin we could all imagine (or more likely have seen in person) the end state of all these quality parts when a mongoloid assembles them on his kitchen table isn't always up to snuff. I'd encourage most folks that are not impressed at this point to dig a little deeper, or at least enter a holding pattern for the future. I'd be happy to chat with anyone to the degree that I can as a customer, but the man himself has opened up the invite a few posts up and I don't imagine anyone would find they wasted their time taking him up on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWood View Post
    What is "disingenuous and outright silly" is marketing something made with off the shelf parts that CAN be built on a kitchen table and then charging almost twice what it can be built it for. If I am going to pay that price, it better bring something special to the table.

    There is nothing unique about this rifle other than the receiver set which I would like to know how it is better than the 2AA lightweight Helios billet set and the Aero Precision forged set that I turned in to rifles rhis week with off the shelf, quality components. Both sets fit together as well as any I have ever handled. The 2AA was expensive billet because of the lightweight feature. The AP set was $130 and will do anything any top quality forged receiver set will do, even though the roll mark is quite unappealing.
    DWood, If you add up the price of all the components I would be surprised that you can get it for half if the price of the rifle.....(1k). So what you are really saying is for about 1500.00, you can build a similiar rifle.

    Not everyone build their own rifle, not everyone have the ability to pin a gas block(gunsmith service adding cost). And most of all, a meticulously put together product that is a joy to handle and shoot

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