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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    This thread...

    If I weren't the Mod's favorite pissing post, I'd love to fire up DWood even more!
    There is absolutely no way that I could or would try to infract anyone in this thread that is criticizing the price of the product or questioning what it is that makes these stand above their contemporaries, as long as it expressed without being disruptive.

    On that note: nobody is going to be able to answer these questions better than the company in question, so, instead of forcing non-involved people into positions that they do not belong, contact Hodge and give them the opportunity to explain their product. He's already stepped into the discussion, talk to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    I'll get some more pictures...
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    BTW.....Jesse Jane was a part if a photoshoot....it has nothing to do with Hodege rifle other then it was part of the prop during the shoot....
    How 'bout more pics of Jesse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    DWood, If you add up the price of all the components I would be surprised that you can get it for half if the price of the rifle.....(1k). So what you are really saying is for about 1500.00, you can build a similiar rifle.

    Not everyone build their own rifle, not everyone have the ability to pin a gas block(gunsmith service adding cost). And most of all, a meticulously put together product that is a joy to handle and shoot
    Or you can buy a similarly equipped, complete BCM 16" Recce for $1380.

    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...on&key=750-780

    The kicker is, the much cheaper BCM actually has a better trigger than what comes on the Hodge rifle. I'm also thinking with the KMR rail, the BCM rifle will be lighter as well.

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    My initial thoughts on the topic are that an AR doesn't "need" the meticulous parts fitting the same way the outdated 1911 does. But I do appreciate it when I luck out on a build and get those selectors that snap beautifully and the take down pins that don't grind metal for the first 50 cycles, etc.

    I'd guess you're not going to see those occasional blems, fordge flash, etc that you might find on a Colt. And if that's something that bugs a shooter, by all means...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    DWood, If you add up the price of all the components I would be surprised that you can get it for half if the price of the rifle.....(1k). So what you are really saying is for about 1500.00, you can build a similiar rifle.

    Not everyone build their own rifle, not everyone have the ability to pin a gas block(gunsmith service adding cost). And most of all, a meticulously put together product that is a joy to handle and shoot
    If I hadn't built five rifles now, under the guidance of a friend with a lot of experience, I might buy your "meticulously put together product" line. I can tell you that the two I built this week were assembled as meticulously as the platform allows. "Joy to handle and shoot". Really? Which quality ARs do you have that are not?

    And you are right, one of my guns cost $1700+. BUT, it is built on a very expensive lightweight billet set and has an expensive JP LMOS BCG. It was purpose built (meticulously) as a fun (not HD) rifle and has unique qualities that I was willing to pay for. It weighs 4 ib. 11.5 ounces without the T-1 optic. Once I receive the mount, the rifle will be a hair over 5 pounds. It has a pinned SLR adjustable gas block and BCM comp 2 on a DD .625 lightweight CHF 14.5" barrel. Pinning is the one job I couldn't do, but ADCO is quite capable and reasonably priced. The other rifle, using a $130 Aero Precision forged receiver set and mil BCG I would use for HD, and comes in at just over $1000.

    So yes, you are right, not everyone can build a rifle. But, those who are able can easily build one with top components for $1000-1100. Being patient and taking advantage of parts on sale can seriously bring the prices down.

    EDIT: Maybe this thread would have gone differently without the "best carbine money can buy?" question. The porn star doesn't bother me.
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    So if I'm reading this correctly, instead of save money and build this myself, I should pay more money just to pay this dude's bills?




    Quote Originally Posted by scoutfsu99 View Post
    Try building that rifle on a Tuesday night for less money when you're paying things like the FET, wages, the light bill, and 20 other different things. Saying you can build something for less money is disingenuous and outright silly when you look at factors other than building it on your kitchen table.
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    @scoutfsu99 - That's just it... The cost of doing business is his, not ours. We don't need to consider the other factors. It's my time, electric bill and dinner table to value at zero.

    By all accounts Jim Hodge is a good guy. I don't know him but I can appreciate anyone willing to dive head first into this industry. Timing is everything and HD missed the wave. The price tag does seem to be a bit high for an amalgamated AR15. That being said...

    This thread was delivered stillborn. Clearly a poorly conceived shill piece by a industry insider trying to help out a manufacturer. As expected, a lot of good questions were asked. I'm guessing its up to the individual to determine the sufficiency of the answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomMcC View Post
    I may be the only one here who thinks this, but using a "porn" whore to advertise this product is a huge "no thanks I'll never buy your rifle".
    You aren't the only one.

    I figured they had to do something to distract from the puffery and lack of quantification of specs.

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    Like SMGLee said above, Hodge Defense had nothing to do with the photo shoot, other than the rifle they sold to a customer being used as a prop after the purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee View Post
    DWood, If you add up the price of all the components I would be surprised that you can get it for half if the price of the rifle.....(1k). So what you are really saying is for about 1500.00, you can build a similiar rifle.

    Not everyone build their own rifle, not everyone have the ability to pin a gas block(gunsmith service adding cost). And most of all, a meticulously put together product that is a joy to handle and shoot

    I don't and don't generally have a interest to, and am more than happy to pay the $$ to a company/person who does that for a living. Closest I'll ever get to building my own will be to connect a finished upper to a finished lower and push the two retainer pins.

    But, members here who have creds for miles have spoken, and given it seemingly positive comments, which means (1) the company and product deserve the benefit of the doubt (2) I will keep an open mind to it and look forward to hearing more about it.

    BTW, clarity on the pron star shoot was helpful. Intentionally using a porn star to market your legit AR seems a very bad idea to me, and knowing that's not the case, was useful intel to overall impression of the company for me.
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