9 year old Girl kills instructor with UZI

[ST911]

A micro uzi is a handful for most adults. My wee ones shot assorted MGs at young ages, but they were carefully selected and intensely supervised.

MG rentals at public ranges are consistently reliable sources of all sorts of learning material. Tragically, in this case.

[mrbieler]

Really feel for the girl. Set up for failure there. I hope they get her good counseling.

[SteyrAUG]

Could you explain the concept of an open bolt firearm?

Think of an AR-15 locked open on an empty magazine. That is the "ready to fire" bolt position on an open bolt machine gun. So the Uzi in the following two pictures is "ready to fire."





If you compare the bolt, a true Uzi submachine gun actually does NOT have a separate firing pin, but the "pin" is simply a protrusion on the chamber face.



This means it is IMPOSSIBLE to close the bolt on a round without firing that round. The semi auto Uzi has a separate firing pin which allows the bolt to close and chamber a round for firing from the closed bolt position.

Many submachine guns and belt fed weapons fire from an "open bolt" position so that excessive heat buildup from repetitive firing will not "cook off" a round sitting in a hot chamber. With the open bolt setup the rounds are retained in the top of the magazine (or belt) until the weapon is fired and the bolt closes, picking up a round in the process and fires it once it has fully closed on the round in the chamber area.

[Eurodriver]

The instructor played the stupid game and won the ultimate prize.

Starting a 9 year old on an open bolt SMG is about as retarded as it gets.

I see 50 year old men that have had guns their entire lives that cannot grasp the concept of an open bolt firearm.

I have quite a bit of firearms experience.
I still cannot safely shoot an open bolt SMG in FA for more than 4 rounds without hitting the ceiling or ground. Those little straps on the MaC11s are USELESS. we had a barrel extension that screwed on and helped but just barely.

What was this guy thinking

[SteyrAUG]

A micro uzi is a handful for most adults. My wee ones shot assorted MGs at young ages, but they were carefully selected and intensely supervised.

MG rentals at public ranges are consistently reliable sources of all sorts of learning material. Tragically, in this case.

People just have to STOP handing firearms to people who can't responsibly manage them.

https://www.facebook.com/23726776981...404206/?type=1



This includes handing magnum handguns to females who will drop them, firearms that are simply too heavy for young children to physically manage, full autos that require some level of experience to control and every other stupid stunt you see on youtube involving some complete jackass, guns and an innocent victim of jackass stupidity.

One that comes to mind was a guy throwing clays for his daughter who looked to be about 10 years old that he thoughtfully handed a 12 lb. 28" barrel shotgun to. She was barely able to bring it to her shoulder and fire it without dropping it and of course she was swinging it wildly all over the place as she tried to chase down clays in the sky and the entire time he was actually bitching at her because she wasn't controlling her firearm in a safe manner.

[Airhasz]

Think of an AR-15 locked open on an empty magazine. That is the "ready to fire" bolt position on an open bolt machine gun. So the Uzi in the following two pictures is "ready to fire."





If you compare the bolt, a true Uzi submachine gun actually does NOT have a separate firing pin, but the "pin" is simply a protrusion on the chamber face.



This means it is IMPOSSIBLE to close the bolt on a round without firing that round. The semi auto Uzi has a separate firing pin which allows the bolt to close and chamber a round for firing from the closed bolt position.

Many submachine guns and belt fed weapons fire from an "open bolt" position so that excessive heat buildup from repetitive firing will not "cook off" a round sitting in a hot chamber. With the open bolt setup the rounds are retained in the top of the magazine (or belt) until the weapon is fired and the bolt closes, picking up a round in the process and fires it once it has fully closed on the round in the chamber area.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this with pictures, they really helped me understand the open bolt setup!

[TriviaMonster]

An UZI is an extreme example of a tricky firearm to control. There was only one way to control that gun, an adult shoots and she watches. Sad day.

[T2C]

What was the purpose in teaching a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi?

The instructor paid a substantial price for what reason?

[SteyrAUG]

What was the purpose in teaching a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi?

The instructor paid a substantial price for what reason?

There doesn't need to be a reason, I was shooting full autos at a very young age. But the difference is somebody didn't just hand me a Uzi and stand back. I think I was maybe 10 years old when I fired my first Thompson. At about 10 lbs. I 100% guarantee you that I'd have peppered the sky and ended up on my butt. So somebody actually took the time to kneel behind me and put their hand next to mine one the front stock and with their other hand gripped the front of the buttstock so that they could put the brakes on the gun at any time.

Additionally they loaded the magazine with two rounds ONLY, then 5 rounds ONLY then 10 rounds only until I demonstrated trigger control and could get at least 3 bursts out of 10 rounds. Then and ONLY then was I able to try a fully loaded magazine and I still had an adult right behind me with hands on the weapon.

After many months of shooting "assisted" full auto I was finally able to solo on a S&W 76. I then shot an assortment of MP40s, M3s and similar design SMGs. I probably was 12 the first time I fired a MAC and I'm pretty sure it was a .380 M11 and the stock was extended (as much as you can call it a stock) and I had an adult with one hand on the weapon who was capable of taking complete control if it should get away from me. I remember thinking I was gonna be 100% fine given all my "experience" and then I remember thinking "WOW that was fast" and being kind of glad there was somebody who had a hand on the weapon.

Eventually I was able to competently shoot MACs, including .45s, by myself with no safety issues. But if somebody handed me that .380 M11 on the first day and let me try it alone I'd have probably shot at least 5 people unintentionally. So even though I've been shooting full autos from an age when most people get their first .22 it was with responsible supervision and somebody in place who could take control of the weapon at any moment should it become necessary until I was able to demonstrate that I was capable of controlling it by myself.

SMGs are not a "starter weapon" and they shouldn't be treated as a form of entertainment. I feel incredibly bad for this little girl (she'll probably never touch another firearm for the rest of her life) and I feel bad for the instructor and his family, but at the same time I seriously wonder about his credentials as an instructor and his level of common sense.

And it really could have been LOTS worse. Let's hope everyone gets the damn memo this time.

[T2C]

A firearm is not a toy for a 9 year old. There is a time and place for everything.