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    Quote Originally Posted by BGREID View Post
    I have owned many 1911's over the years. They have all been reliable. What makes them unreliable is bad gunsmithing. One funny thing I have noticed at matches is the guns that break down are owned by gunsmiths. These guys over work their guns to the point of not being reliable. But they sure feel smooth when you handle them. One day I will find a gunsmith who can keep his guns running and them maybe he can work on my guns.
    An important point you raise is there's smiths who can make pretty 1911s, and smiths known for building 1911s that run and run and run. I recall Chuck Rogers had a reputation for building 1911s that ran. And, like so man really good smiths, go to his web page and it says:

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    Since the beginning of their existence, STI has never been able to supply a double stack pistol that would reliably lock the slide open on an empty magazine. STI has changed follower design and many 3rd part companies have made followers to no avail. While ipsc shooters sloff this issue off and say that they would never want their slide to lock back, this is the key reason sti pistols have never been considered for use by law, military, or serious defense users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    Since the beginning of their existence, STI has never been able to supply a double stack pistol that would reliably lock the slide open on an empty magazine. STI has changed follower design and many 3rd part companies have made followers to no avail. While ipsc shooters sloff this issue off and say that they would never want their slide to lock back, this is the key reason sti pistols have never been considered for use by law, military, or serious defense users.
    This is just not true. Many competitors deactivate the slide hold open with aftermarket followers designed for this purpose. I have not done this as I like to know when I am empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    Since the beginning of their existence, STI has never been able to supply a double stack pistol that would reliably lock the slide open on an empty magazine. STI has changed follower design and many 3rd part companies have made followers to no avail. While ipsc shooters sloff this issue off and say that they would never want their slide to lock back, this is the key reason sti pistols have never been considered for use by law, military, or serious defense users.
    Purchase a double stack 1911 for anything but competition and range plinking, you get what you deserved. Even then...My understanding is this discussion is on single stack "real" 1911s only from STI.

    I had a buddy goofy enough to buy a Para double stack (against my advice) and no amount of sending back and having several smiths work on it could make that POS reliable. He sold it to someone who used it as a base gun for a race gun I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    I believe that most will run great, but go to any Glock discussion and no one talks about how to make them more reliable...
    You clearly haven't been paying attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BGREID View Post
    This is just not true. Many competitors deactivate the slide hold open with aftermarket followers designed for this purpose. I have not done this as I like to know when I am empty.
    While many ipsc shooters do, there is still an issue with the slide not locking back on sti and svi double stack pistols. I have owned over 10 and none would lock back, even with slide locks from other companies. The issue has to due with the mag geometry. Since the majority of sti pistols are used in the ipsc gungames, they never saw a reason for fix the issue. That's why sti does not see serious use in IDPA or for serious self defense use. Now back to single stacks. There is no comparison between a Wilson and sti. Get the Wilson if the pistol is for serious use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack Wonder View Post
    While many ipsc shooters do, there is still an issue with the slide not locking back on sti and svi double stack pistols. I have owned over 10 and none would lock back, even with slide locks from other companies. The issue has to due with the mag geometry. Since the majority of sti pistols are used in the ipsc gungames, they never saw a reason for fix the issue. That's why sti does not see serious use in IDPA or for serious self defense use. Now back to single stacks. There is no comparison between a Wilson and sti. Get the Wilson if the pistol is for serious use.
    i have to disagree with your assessment- a year ago or so i got into STI 's double stacks and have had 7 of them- all have ran super reliably without a single problem!
    otoh, i also bought a NHC FALCON , that needed to return to its nest on a couple of occasions, for feeding issues.

    in my experience, more$$$$ didn't translate to total reliability. and i'd stake my life on my 2011 tacticals any day of the week.
    Last edited by ozy; 09-07-14 at 08:35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozy View Post
    i have to disagree with your assessment- a year ago or so i got into STI 's double stacks and have had 7 of them- all have ran super reliably without a single problem!
    otoh, i also bought a NHC FALCON , that needed to return to its nest on a couple of occasions, for feeding issues.

    in my experience, more$$$$ didn't translate to totally reliability. and i'd stake my life on my 2011 tacticals any day of the week.
    Wow. I guess double stack 1911s have improved in design and function since I looked at any, etc. Or, you're the luckiest SOB on the planet. Play the lottery?

    I will say, when I was all about 1911s, I never saw nor heard a good word about double stack 1911s.
    Last edited by WillBrink; 09-06-14 at 20:59.
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    Will, i do believe that STI has improved their platform immensely. i'm not their cheer leader, or have any vested interest in their company, but after a year of owning several of their 2011s, count me a believer.
    btw, great site- brinkzone.com.
    Sigs... lots of them.(229,226, x5, x6)
    Sti- marauder, edge, tactical3,4,5, dvc ltd, legend, eagle,vip,Apeiro.
    Wilson- tactical elite, pro elite
    Ed brown- special forces.(2)
    knight's sbr.
    knight's sr15-mod 1
    Knight's sr15 14.5" +AA flash hider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozy View Post
    Will, i do believe that STI has improved their platform immensely. i'm not their cheer leader, or have any vested interest in their company, but after a year of owning several of their 2011s, count me a believer.
    btw, great site- brinkzone.com.
    Thanx!
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