Ukraine Wants Full NATO Membership

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Your response proves that you really don't grasp what's going on.

Enjoy your delusion.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

Welcome to my ignore list, current seating at 'One'. If I detect you rectal-cranial inversion has passed, you may be re-instated.

Oh, and change the flag on your avatar.

[ralph]

Yes, let's blame ourselves! After all it simply must be our fault, just like rampant black crime.

You should be ashamed to say you bought into that simpleton tripe above. Russia has an agenda that extends far beyond Ukraine. Pay attention to reality.

Well, I have to ask, who backed the overthrow to the former Ukrainian Gov't? The U.S. It backfired because they(U.S. Gov't) made the classic mistake of thinking they could control the new Gov't they put in place, Well, they couldn't, and now the whole thing spun out of control. As far as Russia goes.. I could care less if they take the Ukraine, You think Putin wants the Ukraine? For what? Then he'll have to feed those people and he's got enough problems feeding his own. He got want he wanted when he took Crimea. And where's Russia going to get the money to fund another war? Their economy is in worse shape than ours. I'm sorry, But I don't believe half the tripe passing as "news" about the Ukraine.. We still don't have any business there, and, If any body thinks the Ukraine is worth fighting a war over, by all means sign up and go..

[MountainRaven]

Well, I have to ask, who backed the overthrow to the former Ukrainian Gov't? The U.S. It backfired because they(U.S. Gov't) made the classic mistake of thinking they could control the new Gov't they put in place, Well, they couldn't, and now the whole thing spun out of control. As far as Russia goes.. I could care less if they take the Ukraine, You think Putin wants the Ukraine? For what? Then he'll have to feed those people and he's got enough problems feeding his own. He got want he wanted when he took Crimea. And where's Russia going to get the money to fund another war? Their economy is in worse shape than ours. I'm sorry, But I don't believe half the tripe passing as "news" about the Ukraine.. We still don't have any business there, and, If any body thinks the Ukraine is worth fighting a war over, by all means sign up and go..

Why would Putin want Ukraine?

Same reason as Hitler: Food. Ukraine is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe. Asking why somebody would want Ukraine is like asking why - in a post-United States America - the East Coast Alliance, California Coalition, and the United States of Mexico-Texas would squabble over the Mid-West.

My question for the tinfoil crowd is this: What does NATO gain from breaking up Russia?

I mean, I get why the Russians aren't fond of a NATO-aligned Ukraine. I understand that the Cold War was fought between one superpower seeking to contain another, while the latter tried desperately to build as large a buffer zone as possible, fearing that the first superpower wanted to conquer it with both superpowers basically acting straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other side wanted (to take over the world).

I near as I can figure, the West wants to protect a budding democratic regime in Ukraine and to stymie the imperial ambitions of Uncle Vlad. And Uncle Vlad wants desperately to maintain a buffer between his country and the West. With the subsequent result that both sides - once again - must play straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other will do.

Neither side is evil - despite what the media and the tinfoil wearers want us to think. We're just engaged in a reenactment of the Cold War (which may or may not have ever ended, given that we've succeeded in encroaching ever more on Russian stomping grounds since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact).

[DreadPirateMoyer]

We spend $5 billion to destabilize the place. They pay snipers to shoot randomly at Maidan and hire thugs to attack the local police and somehow "Russia started it..."

LOL!!!

Russia has not invaded anything despite Kiev making the claim and backing off of it weekly for months now. I guess his Jedi Mindtrick skills are good because some buy it.

Why is THE WEST so hellbent on surrounding Russia with NATO bases? THAT should be the herd of elephants in the living room but escapes many.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

Wow, I didn't know M4C's little corner of the internet was important enough to have a Kremlin-paid troll personally involved in a propagandastic disinformation campaign. Nice!

[Mjolnir]

Wow, I didn't know M4C's little corner of the internet was important enough to have a Kremlin-paid troll personally involved in a propagandastic disinformation campaign. Nice!

It takes a true troll to accuse someone of something you know so little about.

Continue with your mainstream media swill. It's really "working" as we run our economy and military into the ground.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[Mjolnir]

Why would Putin want Ukraine?

Same reason as Hitler: Food. Ukraine is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe. Asking why somebody would want Ukraine is like asking why - in a post-United States America - the East Coast Alliance, California Coalition, and the United States of Mexico-Texas would squabble over the Mid-West.

My question for the tinfoil crowd is this: What does NATO gain from breaking up Russia?

I mean, I get why the Russians aren't fond of a NATO-aligned Ukraine. I understand that the Cold War was fought between one superpower seeking to contain another, while the latter tried desperately to build as large a buffer zone as possible, fearing that the first superpower wanted to conquer it with both superpowers basically acting straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other side wanted (to take over the world).

I near as I can figure, the West wants to protect a budding democratic regime in Ukraine and to stymie the imperial ambitions of Uncle Vlad. And Uncle Vlad wants desperately to maintain a buffer between his country and the West. With the subsequent result that both sides - once again - must play straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other will do.

Neither side is evil - despite what the media and the tinfoil wearers want us to think. We're just engaged in a reenactment of the Cold War (which may or may not have ever ended, given that we've succeeded in encroaching ever more on Russian stomping grounds since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact).

I've not seen any "imperial ambitions" from Russia but NATO and the West are continuing on with their "Full Spectrum Dominance" agenda. Look up the term.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

[ralph]

Why would Putin want Ukraine?

Same reason as Hitler: Food. Ukraine is the breadbasket of Eastern Europe. Asking why somebody would want Ukraine is like asking why - in a post-United States America - the East Coast Alliance, California Coalition, and the United States of Mexico-Texas would squabble over the Mid-West.

My question for the tinfoil crowd is this: What does NATO gain from breaking up Russia?

I mean, I get why the Russians aren't fond of a NATO-aligned Ukraine. I understand that the Cold War was fought between one superpower seeking to contain another, while the latter tried desperately to build as large a buffer zone as possible, fearing that the first superpower wanted to conquer it with both superpowers basically acting straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other side wanted (to take over the world).

I near as I can figure, the West wants to protect a budding democratic regime in Ukraine and to stymie the imperial ambitions of Uncle Vlad. And Uncle Vlad wants desperately to maintain a buffer between his country and the West. With the subsequent result that both sides - once again - must play straight into each other's preconceived notions of what the other will do.

Neither side is evil - despite what the media and the tinfoil wearers want us to think. We're just engaged in a reenactment of the Cold War (which may or may not have ever ended, given that we've succeeded in encroaching ever more on Russian stomping grounds since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact).

Neither side being evil, then why not let the Ukrainian people decide what they want to do? I mean, why not get a cease-fire between the two sides, and agree to a election as to whether or not to form 2 countries, Eastern Ukraine/Western Ukraine, Let all the interested parties moniter the election, and keep it honest, and if the Ukrainian citizens decide to split up then, let them.. Putin would no doubt get Eastern Ukraine and the west would get Western Ukraine. Honestly nobody here gets a real bargin... The EU, and the IMF would have to support Western Ukraine for years to come.. As would the Russians with Eastern Ukraine One thing that bothers me about this whole thing, is that the Ukraine and Russia have been intertwined for hundreds of years, I have trouble seeing how the U.S.'s involvement is much different than the Russian's involvement in Cuban missile crisis.... We haven't installed the missiles yet, but we'd (U.S. Gov't) would sure like to..

[Mjolnir]

Neither side being evil, then why not let the Ukrainian people decide what they want to do? I mean, why not get a cease-fire between the two sides, and agree to a election as to whether or not to form 2 countries, Eastern Ukraine/Western Ukraine, Let all the interested parties moniter the election, and keep it honest, and if the Ukrainian citizens decide to split up then, let them.. Putin would no doubt get Eastern Ukraine and the west would get Western Ukraine. Honestly nobody here gets a real bargin... The EU, and the IMF would have to support Western Ukraine for years to come.. As would the Russians with Eastern Ukraine One thing that bothers me about this whole thing, is that the Ukraine and Russia have been intertwined for hundreds of years, I have trouble seeing how the U.S.'s involvement is much different than the Russian's involvement in Cuban missile crisis.... We haven't installed the missiles yet, but we'd (U.S. Gov't) would sure like to..

Correct.

It's about surrounding Russia with NATO bases with the Ballistic Missile Defense system which is part of an OFFENSIVE SYSTEM - to reduce their capacity to respond to ICBMs...


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[BoringGuy45]

Everything is America's fault. Global warming, Putin's aggression into Ukraine, ISIS, 9/11, every other war currently being fought, every genocide including the Holocaust (which was somehow a scheme for getting an oil pipeline deal) the sinking of the Titanic, the fall of the Roman Empire, and the extinction of the dinosaurs. America has been on the wrong side of every single war, including the Revolutionary War and WWII, and generally, America sucks, has never had any redeeming qualities, and with the exception of Thomas Jefferson and anyone who listens to Alex Jones, has never had a single good person ever inhabit its borders.

[MountainRaven]

Correct.

It's about surrounding Russia with NATO bases with the Ballistic Missile Defense system which is part of an OFFENSIVE SYSTEM - to reduce their capacity to respond to ICBMs...


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

Because nuking Russia is high on NATO's to-do list.