Owner of Popular Parts Website, HK Parts Inc, Charged With Illegally Selling Firearms

**Moose-Knuckle** · 09-03-14, 16:26

So we have an open border, an ISIS member cleaning commerical passenger airliners at Minneapolis airport, a dozen missing jet airliners from the Tripoli International Airport, and this is what our Federal Government spins their wheels about?

Hope and change . . .

**ptmccain** · 09-03-14, 16:29

His prices were/are always stupid high. I always found other HK dealers with much better prices and better customer service.

**Koshinn** · 09-03-14, 16:34

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

If this sticks, there will be a huge hole left in the HK parts market.

C4

Sounds like another niche for you to fill as an Hk dealer!

**TMS951** · 09-03-14, 17:00

Originally Posted by interfan

. This just smells and would be a travesty for all those P7s to be destroyed.

Indictment: http://www.justice.gov/tax/2014/AMWebber_Indictment.pdf

Seizure List: http://www.justice.gov/tax/2014/AMWe...Attachment.pdf

I stopped counting the P7s at 100, there was easily 20-50 more. Thats a lot of identical pistols to have in a personal collection, I don't care how rare they are.

It would be very hard to convince me you have all of those pistols and you are not trying to make money off of selling them. It will be sad to see them destroyed, but I would be much sadder about the H&K G41 being destroyed.

When you are walking the line already with the ATF, why go screwing around with the IRS? great way to get the Gov coming for you.

I do feel its a tough case as far as the law, but if the law is that you can't intend to make money on a gun he is done. I don't agree with that, that would mean any one who just picked up a 900$ Colt with the intention of selling in fall of 2016 for 2000$ is also breaking this law. Will they get caught, no, will the ATF car? No. Why?, because they are not trying to make money off of literally hundreds of guns.

Sad to see this happen as HKparts.net was what I used for my HK parts.

**HD1911** · 09-03-14, 17:27

If the Bullshit NFA Laws didn't exist in the first place.....

**SteyrAUG** · 09-03-14, 17:58

Originally Posted by markm

I'm not jumping to any conclusions one way or another, but it seems that these cases always end up with some joker who didn't know when to cut the shit. Valid points on the gunbroker examples, however.

Without the full story, it reads like he avoided prison on a shady MG transfer... There's been too many cases where you want to defend the guy, but it turns out he was a shit head who had it coming...

I read "clerical errors." I didn't read anything about a "shady deal." I have seen a lot of people unintentionally screw up a Form 4 transfer because they were simply mystified by the process and tried to figure it out on their own. I've even seen FFL/SOTs screw up Form 4 transfers and create "clerical errors."

And while we are throwing stones, how about the NFA registry itself? How many "in house" clerical errors are the ATF responsible for? If the ATF held themselves to the same standard that they impose on others, they wouldn't be allowed to touch a firearm at all and would be convicted felons.

**Kain** · 09-03-14, 18:13

Originally Posted by TMS951

I stopped counting the P7s at 100, there was easily 20-50 more. Thats a lot of identical pistols to have in a personal collection, I don't care how rare they are.

It would be very hard to convince me you have all of those pistols and you are not trying to make money off of selling them. It will be sad to see them destroyed, but I would be much sadder about the H&K G41 being destroyed.

When you are walking the line already with the ATF, why go screwing around with the IRS? great way to get the Gov coming for you.

I do feel its a tough case as far as the law, but if the law is that you can't intend to make money on a gun he is done. I don't agree with that, that would mean any one who just picked up a 900$ Colt with the intention of selling in fall of 2016 for 2000$ is also breaking this law. Will they get caught, no, will the ATF car? No. Why?, because they are not trying to make money off of literally hundreds of guns.

Sad to see this happen as HKparts.net was what I used for my HK parts.

Depends on the person. Some people who have money will collect multiple copies of a gun to have ones for spare parts. What started off as a couple spares to your backup end up growing to crazy numbers. Or they just have a weird compulsion. Hell, use to shoot with a guy who owned hundreds, HUNDREDS, of Winchester Model 12. People collect strange things. Wanting to own a gross or more of P7s isn't as weird as some people who collect shoes to me.

**SteyrAUG** · 09-03-14, 18:14

Originally Posted by TMS951

I stopped counting the P7s at 100, there was easily 20-50 more. Thats a lot of identical pistols to have in a personal collection, I don't care how rare they are.

I'm thinking of two collectors right now. One has probably 500+ Lugers in his collection and about 250 "recent Russian imports" in his "trading stock." The other has probably 800+ Colt SAA revolvers in his personal collection and maybe 150 or so in his "trading stock."

Deep pocket dealers simply have larger collections and more trading stock firearms which they need to do a "right now" deal when a Holy Grail example pops up on their radar.

Should they be prosecuted?

Used to be one could "pull a FFL" to protect themselves from this kind of thing. Then we got FOPA 86 which was supposed to protect us. Now FOPA is being eroded dramatically and few people can pull a FFL for protection against prosecution as an "unlicensed dealer."

The big problem here is the definitions used by ATF are too subjective and arbitrary. They are not specific enough to protect people and largely are a tool that ATF can apply at their discretion based upon what "they believe."

So you have Adam who is in the business of "gun parts" (which does NOT require a FFL). At the same time Adam personally collects firearms and like any other collector buys and sells firearms as he builds his collection and disposes of firearms he currently owns in order to buy more desirable examples.

He can't get a C&R that protects him from dealing with modern firearms so he is out of luck there. He was prevented from obtaining a standard 01 FFL for reasons I'm still not fully understanding. If there was anything "shady" about his machine gun transfer then fines should be imposed or charges filed. I do not see the logic of preventing somebody from obtaining a FFL so that they can "lawfully engage in the firearms business" as a form of punishment for some clerical violation.

If Adam wasn't in the business of buying and selling gun parts, he'd probably be viewed as no different from any other significant collector who fumbled the paperwork on an NFA transfer.

Bottom line is unless he really was illegally importing firearms and engaged in actual smuggling, FOPA should protect him. In a logical world, ATF should have MANDATED that he obtain a 01 FFL simply because they determined his business was "close to the line." He would have become a dealer, started dealing in firearms as well as parts as "part of his business" and that would be that. Problem solved.