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Thread: Priced dropped on D&H, buy them or pay more for nhmtg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zane1844 View Post
    Just checked a D&H mag I bought from Cope's, it showed very slight signs of what appeared to be surface rust. All were exposed to were one humid WI summer. The ones I use for training are still going great.

    The Pmag I checked looked fine.
    That's been my experience with CS mag springs as well. I don't mind using CS buffer springs since they're always slathered in lube from the BCG, but the mag springs are a different story. All the ones I've owned have shown surface rust by the end of year 1.

    Man, this has caused me to reevaluate my entire mag stock now. Bah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadPirateMoyer View Post
    That's been my experience with CS mag springs as well. I don't mind using CS buffer springs since they're always slathered in lube from the BCG, but the mag springs are a different story. All the ones I've owned have shown surface rust by the end of year 1.

    Man, this has caused me to reevaluate my entire mag stock now. Bah.
    Same, however, I am wondering how much of a problem it will really cause.

    If they are just going to get worse, I may just switch to Gen 3 Pmags, on the same site for $90.
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    With my AR mags, I actually prefer chrome silicon springs over stainless steel springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mamma View Post
    With my AR mags, I actually prefer chrome silicon springs over stainless steel springs.

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    Why is that? Have you ever ran into a issue with rust with CS?
    It is from the construction of underground FEMA camps. I can't say more because there a guy parked in front of house in an AMC Pacer. He is acting like he talking on the phone, but I know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadPirateMoyer View Post
    Worth noting (if it hasn't already been mentioned) is that the DPMS NHMTG mags have chrome silicon springs, which I refuse to use based on Magpul's feedback on corrosion resistance tests they performed.
    Well, that's a bummer. I also figured they were the same as the regular production Okay/Colt/NHMTG mags. That's always been part of the benefit of buying real USGI, that you know they're made to the same standard. I think the three I bought from 44mag.com had SS springs, but I don't think I checked them very closely.

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    Just verified with both 44Mag.com and PSA that their NHMTG and D&H mags (respectively) both come with SS springs. I'm also waiting for word from BCM, but I'd assume the same for them.

    This is good news. Looks like the DPMS-NHMTG mags are likely the only outlier here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zane1844 View Post
    Why is that? Have you ever ran into a issue with rust with CS?
    I never had any problems with chrome silicon springs in AR mags. I consider them stronger or more specifically, less likely to weaken and take a set (after a lot of use or repeatedly keeping mags loaded for long periods of time) compared to stainless steel mag springs.

    I generally prefer CS because I think after a lot of use, I am more likely to have problems due to weak mag springs than due to corrosion (which would probably only be light surface corrosion which I would consider cosmetic).

    At least some chrome silicon springs in AR mags have been coated with a corrosion resistant material. So I don't automatically assume CS springs are going to rust easily, or even more easily than stainless springs. Also, stainless steel can still rust.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll take AR mags with stainless steel springs (and I have plenty of them). But when I have had a choice with AR mags, I think I have always chosen CS. I think the quality in mag springs (in ARs and other guns) depends on a lot of different things: material, # of coils, size of coils, wire diameter, length, heat treatment, coatings, etc. So I don't feel strongly about one being better than the other (chrome silicon versus stainless steel).

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    Yeah, most CS springs do come with a coating, but it abrades off very easily through contact with the magazine body, follower, and just general use. Even the best CS coatings don't do much in my experience. I'd guess a lot would depend on your climate, but the summers where I live are swamp-like and we get lots of precipitation throughout the year. CS is a no-go for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreadPirateMoyer View Post
    ...-44Mag NHMTG mags (just NHMTG branded, not anything else)...
    Last time I bought NHMTG mags from 44mag, June14, they were in DPMS bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdcgrohl View Post
    Last time I bought NHMTG mags from 44mag, June14, they were in DPMS bags.
    Interesting. The last ones I bought were loose-packed. This was in 2013, though.

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