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Thread: Noveske Gen III VS. KAC SR-15 Mod 2

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    Noveske Gen III VS. KAC SR-15 Mod 2

    I am looking to purchase my first high end AR-15 and I have narrowed it down to:

    Noveske Gen III http://www.shopnoveske.com/collectio...ke-recon-rifle

    KAC SR-15 Mod 2 http://www.knightarmco.com/portfolio.../#!prettyPhoto

    What I wanted to know is how the accuracy, wight, reliability, ext. compare between the two. Also from the owners of either why you chose to go with the rifle.

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    This isn't going to be all that helpful, but: the Mod2's are not out in numbers just yet, aside from that the biggest differences are barrel profile as far as performance, the handguard/lower/sights are the next biggest difference in feel.

    The GenIII Recce is going to be a stainless barreled very precise setup, but heavier mostly due to the barrel (and a little bit due to the SWS rail vs. others). The flared lowers are awesome, I picked up a few as chainsaw lowers and right now I've condensed to running the Noveske lowers myself and the SR15 lowers for my wife.
    The KAC runs a lighter profile CHF/CL barrel, but one which is remarkably accurate. The handguards and ambi features of the lower I'd argue are far superior, and the intermediate gas system is also extra awesome.

    Other more confusing options:
    [What I'd go with]
    BCM KMR Recce Upper on Noveske Stripped GEN3 Lower w/ Colt LPK, GSSA-E/G2S-E + Ambi parts as needed (Norgon AmbiCatch, BAD Selector) add KAC Offset Folding Sights
    KAC SR15 Mod1 - same awesome barrel, more available (I personally prefer the URX3.1 13.5" handguard)

    Or the money-is-no-object build: MSTN Custom Noveske 16" Intermediate Barreled Upper, MUR-1S, URX3.1(or KMR/URX4) KAC Offset Sights; Noveske Gen3 Lower as above - take the best parts of both and roll with that.
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    Both companies make outstanding products, you really can't go wrong either way.
    John Noveske Changed My Life.

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    If you're running it like a combat carbine, take the KAC from those two choices. If you're running it like a precision rifle, take the Noveske.

    Both can be used in both roles. Both are reliable, accurate enough, etc. The Noveske will be a bit more accurate, the KAC arguably more reliable due to the bolt. The KAC will be much lighter.

    I have a Mod1 and an equivalent Noveske upper. Both are great, but have different uses. I try not to waste the Noveske's SS barrel life in run and gun competitions at 25m (and I do worse because of the weight), but I would rather shoot it at 500m than the KAC.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Id also recommend MSTN

    and look at the new vltor rifles...the best specs including noveske barrels

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    I have a Noveske Afghan with the SWS rail and it is very similar to what you are considering with the model linked.

    The only negative point that I can make about the rifle it's heavy. Otherwise, the Stainless Noveske rifles are extremely accurate.

    My primary range rifle is a custom upper built on the 16" Recon barrel and it has been a great shooter with just about any .223 or 5.56 rounds shot through the gun. With 55gr .223 reloads I am getting 1" groups at 100 yards using a 4X scope.

    I didn't keep a log for the barrel but my rough estimate is approx. 5K rounds, mostly 55 gr FMJ.

    The rifle pictured is over 12 Lbs.


    I choose the Noveske Afghan because of my experience with the Recon barrel and I wanted a factory complete stainless rifle. My experience has been that the Noveske rifles are reliable and accurate.

    The only ammo mine don't like are the PMC .223 55gr FMJ loads. Lastly, the dozen or so people who have shot my Noveske rifles always comment on the accuracy.

    If you are looking for a general purpose, accurate rifle, the model you are looking at would be a great choice. Otherwise, if weight is a factor, then check-out one of the Chrome lined barreled models with the new rail.

    I can't offer any opinions on the Knight's carbines.

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    Depending on what you want to do with the rifle, I can't see you going wrong with either choice. I honestly don't think you have to spend quite so much to get the same/similar results though, FWIW.

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    Thanks for the input! I don't anticipate shooting more than 150-200yds. Does any one have pictures of accuracy?

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    Not sure exactly what you're after with regard to 'pictures of accuracy'. With Mk262 or other good loads, the SR15 16" barrels are capable of pretty consistent 1.25" 5rd groups at 100yd in my experience, which is way more than adequate.
    If you're staying within 200yd, then I'd be short list looking at:
    KAC SR15 (Mod1/Mod2) - of the two you listed this one might make the most sense.
    BCM ELW Profile Barrel KMR Uppers (Very similar to the URX4 options, same concept of a barrel that is a tack driver for its weight class)
    Daniel Defense V5LW or V11 LW (These are very reasonably priced for what they are, you'd be remiss to not at least take a look).
    and other similar options.
    Again, BCM has a reallly attractive option, there are some really solid options from Centurion, Noveske, and others with regard to lightweight profile very precise rifles, but most any good CHF/CL setup is quite accurate within that distance regime, my DD V5LW out to 250 is more accurate than it needs to be despite having a mediocre optic for precision work (TR24RT), so having a super precise Afghan/Recce type barrel would be mostly added weight until you're really trying to stretch the legs on that setup. To be completely honest a Colt 6720 would probably meet your accuracy needs; if you do want a complete rifle setup there are some great choices.
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    I would have to agree with TehLlama, the Daniel Defense rifles are very well made guns and priced right. Not to mention, the various BCM models, particularly with the sales/ deals currently being offered.

    If you are looking at using the rifle a shorter ranges under 200 yards then I would buy a Colt 6920 or DDM4 variant. Either could be modified at a later date should your requirements and skill exceed the capability of the rifle.

    P.S. Search under Trident's postings, because he did some accuracy testing using a DD light-weight barrel. You might be surprised of the capability that a quality rack grade rifle such as a Colt, BCM, or Daniel Defense will provide with optics, good ammunition, and a competent shooter.

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...LW-5-56-barrel
    Last edited by SkiDevil; 09-19-14 at 19:27. Reason: added link

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