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Thread: ATF Form 23 CLEO for Trusts and Corps

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    At least NFA wait times will drop considerably.
    Why do the loudest do the least?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurodriver View Post
    At least NFA wait times will drop considerably.
    That probably won't even happen... Knowing the federal government , they'll probably reduce to 1 examiner for the country, give them a cushy vacation package and bonus incentives for moving incredibly slow.

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    http://www.guns.com/2014/09/18/suppr...ing-mainstream

    I stumbled upon this nice article, I didn't even realize so many states were going "shall issue/certify" regarding CLEO signatures, I hope we in the gunshine state can make this a reality soon...

    "In addition to this, a number of states are streamlining the Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature requirement on suppressor transfers to individuals by requiring these law enforcement officers to process applications through a new breed of “shall sign” or “shall certify” legislation. This year alone, lawmakers in Utah, Kentucky, Kansas and Arizona passed legislation that mandates CLEOs to approve paperwork within a limited period of time, unless the applicant is found to be a prohibited person, such as a felon, mental defective, minor or domestic abuser. This removes the possibility for law enforcement chiefs to approve or deny suppressor applications for arbitrary reasons.

    Lawmakers, in fact, approved so much of shall-sign legislation that when Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin vetoed such a bill in May, the state legislature overrode it within just 10 days."

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    Can someone please explain to me what this is all about?? Thank you


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    Quote Originally Posted by AverajeJo View Post
    Can someone please explain to me what this is all about?? Thank you


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    Even with a trust you will still need a Cleo sign off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AverajeJo View Post
    Can someone please explain to me what this is all about?? Thank you
    One of the main advantages of buying NFA items as an entity (trust/corp) was the fact there was no requirement to get CLEO signature. In a lot of areas, no CLEO was willing to sign, usually due to political pressure, so an entity was the way to go.

    In addition, since the entity is not a person, you also weren't required to file fingerprints and photos.

    There is pending legislation known as 41P that changes all that, and makes it even worse. It's not just the individual that would need sig/prints/photos, but every single "responsibile party" in the entity.

    It was originally set for June 2014, and is currently looking more like 1Q15 for anything to happen. Nobody knows if, or when it will be enacted, or what the final wording will be. The draft document at the beginning of this is an example of what the outcome may require.

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    Everyone thank you for good exploration. :0)


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    Take that 'Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995'. Make me print front and back. Now I get to kill two times the trees by sending more paper! Muahahahahaha!

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    BigWaylon or anyone else

    Does anyone know if you will be grandfathered in if you formed a trust before it is enacted? Maybe a reason to get things done fast on my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin P View Post
    BigWaylon or anyone else

    Does anyone know if you will be grandfathered in if you formed a trust before it is enacted? Maybe a reason to get things done fast on my end.
    I don't "know" exactly, but there are a lot of guesses out there.

    First off, I think I know what your question is, but don't think it's phrased correctly.

    -I do think items bought before 41P goes in effect will be grandfathered (I think this is your question)
    -I do not think that trusts created before 41P will be grandfathered in for future purposes (that's how I read your question)

    The big gray area is around forms submitted, but not approved. Is the ATF going to allow anything that's postmarked (or eFiled) before a certain to go through? What if an error is made and it has to be sent back? Anything with a Pending date before the set date good to go? There could be a lot of refunds going out if they try to deny all application that are in the pipeline at that point. Who really knows?

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