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    Quote Originally Posted by davestarbuck View Post
    I've got 5 ARs and 1 Ak, I have a basic load out of 4 mags plus 1 in the gun for each rifle in a combo of chest rigs and "go bags". I also keep 2 ammo cans for each gun with 5 loaded mags plus another 300 rounds plus some spare parts (bolt,firing pin,etc) and some pistol ammo and mags. I keep some of the ammo cans at my sister's house, some at my dad's place and some at my sister's place in TN, and of course the majority of my stash is at home. All in all I've got a total of 6000 rds of 5.56/.223 and over 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm, 120 AR mags,, 45 AK mags, not too mention the 12,000 rds of 9mm, 65 glock 17 mags, 9000 rds of .45, and 35 CMC powermags for the 1911... I think I have a problem...NAH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceriley View Post
    basically everyone is loading out like they did in Iraq. Iraq is a warzone... the "ragin horde" applies here. not even 8 mags is enough. it should be boxes and boxes of ammo for a minimi.
    Um, no. Try walking a dismounted 4-8 hour patrol day after day wearing full Mitch/IBA/ACUs in 120 degree heat also lugging:

    radio with spare batteries
    spare ammo for the SAW and or M240
    huge amounts of water
    smoke grenades
    frag grenades
    maps and PLGR and or DAGR
    maybe an MRE or 2
    maybe an AT-4

    When you get to this point every magazine worth of weight counts. Shit, when I was carrying the M-14 I only had 5 mags on me!

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    now that's very heavy to imagine.

    but what I mean was that you carry that much ammo in IRAQ coz it's a warzone.

    I was just implying that in the civilized world it's not necessary to carry that much. It just limits mobility. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceriley View Post
    basically everyone is loading out like they did in Iraq. Iraq is a warzone... the "ragin horde" applies here. not even 8 mags is enough. it should be boxes and boxes of ammo for a minimi.


    but for those living in a non warzone. lightened load should be enough... unless you're shooting full auto... which by the way most people dont have . with the exemption of my country... w/c most people don't have semi auto
    Another reason to have plenty of magazines is so that you can stash them to be more useable. I can grab and go with my AS bag, or I can grab my belt, or I can grab my chest rig, and I don't have to switch mags in between them. To me thats an important time saver.

    I also try and figure on a 7 magazine loadout minimum per semiauto rifle I own. This gives me some of that flexibility to have them divided up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davestarbuck View Post
    I've got 5 ARs and 1 Ak, I have a basic load out of 4 mags plus 1 in the gun for each rifle in a combo of chest rigs and "go bags". I also keep 2 ammo cans for each gun with 5 loaded mags plus another 300 rounds plus some spare parts (bolt,firing pin,etc) and some pistol ammo and mags. I keep some of the ammo cans at my sister's house, some at my dad's place and some at my sister's place in TN, and of course the majority of my stash is at home. All in all I've got a total of 6000 rds of 5.56/.223 and over 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm, 120 AR mags,, 45 AK mags, not too mention the 12,000 rds of 9mm, 65 glock 17 mags, 9000 rds of .45, and 35 CMC powermags for the 1911... I think I have a problem...NAH!!!

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    It's your life, your family and your $$$$. Buy what you want, carry what you want, and be done with it. I think it's kind of silly to debate back and forth for 4 pages. You feel you need it or you don't, whichever is fine.

    I have a chest rig w/ 3 Pmags, and 4 8rnd CMC Powermags for the 1911. I will carry one more mag in each weapon, and another AR mag on my belt, and possibly 2 more pistol mags on my belt. I have more loaded for each and ready to go.

    I buy ammo when I can. I keep trying to stock up more, but I keep shooting it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    Okay, so here's a quick formula to help you decide just how many loaded mags you need on hand:

    Dp * Nsq * Rbg * (1/Rmag) * Fs = ML

    Where:
    Dp = Population density per sq. mile in your general AO (avg. 833/mi in OKC metro area)
    Nsq = # of Square miles in your localized AO (2 square mile area around my home that I plan to defend)
    Rbg = # of Rounds per bad guy neutralized (say, 3 on average)
    Rmag = # Rounds per loaded mag (28 for USGI, 30 for Pmags)
    Fs = Suppressive Fire constant, multiplier for rounds expended that don't necessarily kill something. (I'm gonna use 1.5)
    ML = Number of Loaded mags to keep on hand

    So, for me:
    833 * 2 * 3 * (1/28) * 1.5 = 267.75, so 268 loaded USGI mags will allow me to be the last man standing and to rule my little 2 sq. miles of heaven with an iron fist, when the shit finally hits the fan.

    As a side note, that's only 250 Pmags, so see, those Pmags really are more economical. That's 18 less mags!

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy 250 Pmags...and some spare thumbs.

    I thought this was freaking funny too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD62 View Post

    I buy ammo when I can. I keep trying to stock up more, but I keep shooting it!


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    Exactly my problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    Okay, so here's a quick formula to help you decide just how many loaded mags you need on hand:

    Dp * Nsq * Rbg * (1/Rmag) * Fs = ML

    Where:
    Dp = Population density per sq. mile in your general AO (avg. 833/mi in OKC metro area)
    Nsq = # of Square miles in your localized AO (2 square mile area around my home that I plan to defend)
    Rbg = # of Rounds per bad guy neutralized (say, 3 on average)
    Rmag = # Rounds per loaded mag (28 for USGI, 30 for Pmags)
    Fs = Suppressive Fire constant, multiplier for rounds expended that don't necessarily kill something. (I'm gonna use 1.5)
    ML = Number of Loaded mags to keep on hand

    So, for me:
    833 * 2 * 3 * (1/28) * 1.5 = 267.75, so 268 loaded USGI mags will allow me to be the last man standing and to rule my little 2 sq. miles of heaven with an iron fist, when the shit finally hits the fan.


    Oh crap. Living here in New Jersey, with the high population density, I see that according to this brilliant formula I will need a minimum of 3,425 loaded magazines to stay safe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    Oh crap. Living here in New Jersey, with the high population density, I see that according to this brilliant formula I will need a minimum of 3,425 loaded magazines to stay safe.


    I agree.

    The formula in reality is unreal. You'll never make it that far or that long if you think you'll need to expend 2,000 rounds to "Get out of Dodge". It's you against the world then, and you will lose. Plus you'll never be able to move that much ammo with all the other "Essentials You Should Have" like water, family, food etc. Especially in the Winter.

    IMHO....Way too much "Rambo" going on here.

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