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    Okay, so here's a quick formula to help you decide just how many loaded mags you need on hand:

    Dp * Nsq * Rbg * (1/Rmag) * Fs = ML

    Where:
    Dp = Population density per sq. mile in your general AO (avg. 833/mi in OKC metro area)
    Nsq = # of Square miles in your localized AO (2 square mile area around my home that I plan to defend)
    Rbg = # of Rounds per bad guy neutralized (say, 3 on average)
    Rmag = # Rounds per loaded mag (28 for USGI, 30 for Pmags)
    Fs = Suppressive Fire constant, multiplier for rounds expended that don't necessarily kill something. (I'm gonna use 1.5)
    ML = Number of Loaded mags to keep on hand

    So, for me:
    833 * 2 * 3 * (1/28) * 1.5 = 267.75, so 268 loaded USGI mags will allow me to be the last man standing and to rule my little 2 sq. miles of heaven with an iron fist, when the shit finally hits the fan.

    As a side note, that's only 250 Pmags, so see, those Pmags really are more economical. That's 18 less mags!

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy 250 Pmags...and some spare thumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    Okay, so here's a quick formula to help you decide just how many loaded mags you need on hand:

    Dp * Nsq * Rbg * (1/Rmag) * Fs = ML

    Where:
    Dp = Population density per sq. mile in your general AO (avg. 833/mi in OKC metro area)
    Nsq = # of Square miles in your localized AO (2 square mile area around my home that I plan to defend)
    Rbg = # of Rounds per bad guy neutralized (say, 3 on average)
    Rmag = # Rounds per loaded mag (28 for USGI, 30 for Pmags)
    Fs = Suppressive Fire constant, multiplier for rounds expended that don't necessarily kill something. (I'm gonna use 1.5)
    ML = Number of Loaded mags to keep on hand

    So, for me:
    833 * 2 * 3 * (1/28) * 1.5 = 267.75, so 268 loaded USGI mags will allow me to be the last man standing and to rule my little 2 sq. miles of heaven with an iron fist, when the shit finally hits the fan.

    As a side note, that's only 250 Pmags, so see, those Pmags really are more economical. That's 18 less mags!

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy 250 Pmags...and some spare thumbs.


    I really hope you are not serious. 268 magazines?? That is a platoons worth of ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    Okay, so here's a quick formula to help you decide just how many loaded mags you need on hand:

    Dp * Nsq * Rbg * (1/Rmag) * Fs = ML

    Where:
    Dp = Population density per sq. mile in your general AO (avg. 833/mi in OKC metro area)
    Nsq = # of Square miles in your localized AO (2 square mile area around my home that I plan to defend)
    Rbg = # of Rounds per bad guy neutralized (say, 3 on average)
    Rmag = # Rounds per loaded mag (28 for USGI, 30 for Pmags)
    Fs = Suppressive Fire constant, multiplier for rounds expended that don't necessarily kill something. (I'm gonna use 1.5)
    ML = Number of Loaded mags to keep on hand

    So, for me:
    833 * 2 * 3 * (1/28) * 1.5 = 267.75, so 268 loaded USGI mags will allow me to be the last man standing and to rule my little 2 sq. miles of heaven with an iron fist, when the shit finally hits the fan.

    As a side note, that's only 250 Pmags, so see, those Pmags really are more economical. That's 18 less mags!

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go buy 250 Pmags...and some spare thumbs.
    Shoot, I better go to some more LAV classes so I can bring my Suppressive Fire Constant down. 268 MAGS * 3 (10 rounds for Kali legal mags) is a lot of bulk!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post


    I really hope you are not serious. 268 magazines?? That is a platoons worth of ammo.
    No, just kidding. Made up that formula off the top of my head and that just happened to be the # it ended up kicking out. Hence the whole "kill everyone in 2 sq. miles" sentiment.
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    I have a warped sense of humor. I thought it was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceriley View Post
    as a member of LEO. It would be reasonable for you to load out as much ammo you can carry without sacrificing mobility. but for civilians defending thier homes, you woudn't want them loading more than the LEO would you? If a LEO needs only 5 20round pmags... why do we need more as civilians?
    IMO, the amount of ammo you carry is a personal thing. Yes the 20 round mags are set, but I choose to only carry 5 of them. The worst situation I've ever had to load into was when I was sent into New Orleans after Katrina. I never felt under prepared there as it's not like I'm facing what our military does. Most of the time I'm there more as a deterrent to keep someone from doing something stupid. If I ever feel the need to carry more in case of a situation that went from 0 to stupid in 2 seconds then I'll throw some more in the pockets of my pants or in my backpack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    No, just kidding. Made up that formula off the top of my head and that just happened to be the # it ended up kicking out. Hence the whole "kill everyone in 2 sq. miles" sentiment.
    Oh OK, Sorry! Everyone always accuses me of being a serious bastard. Just for counter point, I carried 8x USGI mags with 28 rounds each in them on my chest rig, with one in the weapon during my time in Iraq. We always had more mags loaded up in the truck loaded and ready to go, but we NEVER came close to cracking into that. Of course we had SAWs, frags, AT-4s, and other "mass casualty producing goodies" which now are not an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOKNLOD View Post
    No, just kidding. Made up that formula off the top of my head and that just happened to be the # it ended up kicking out. Hence the whole "kill everyone in 2 sq. miles" sentiment.
    That fomula was Awsome!!!!

    It is great to hear some LEOs willing to be assisted by law abidding citizens. Carrying lots of ammo is more than having enough for yourself. It is also being able to resupply the guy you are backing up if they need it. As a properly trained and equiped member for society, it is my responsibility to back the LEOs up.

    The streets of the US my not be as dangerous as Iraq, but I'm not going to take that chance. Call it PTSD; Call it Crazy; Call it MY JOB: To Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all Enemies Foreign and Demestic. LEOs can always count on dedicated citizens to fight at their side.

    As BC520 stated some response times can be lengthy. And back-up could take hours. We are their back-up.

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    basically everyone is loading out like they did in Iraq. Iraq is a warzone... the "ragin horde" applies here. not even 8 mags is enough. it should be boxes and boxes of ammo for a minimi.


    but for those living in a non warzone. lightened load should be enough... unless you're shooting full auto... which by the way most people dont have . with the exemption of my country... w/c most people don't have semi auto

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    I've got 5 ARs and 1 Ak, I have a basic load out of 4 mags plus 1 in the gun for each rifle in a combo of chest rigs and "go bags". I also keep 2 ammo cans for each gun with 5 loaded mags plus another 300 rounds plus some spare parts (bolt,firing pin,etc) and some pistol ammo and mags. I keep some of the ammo cans at my sister's house, some at my dad's place and some at my sister's place in TN, and of course the majority of my stash is at home. All in all I've got a total of 6000 rds of 5.56/.223 and over 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39mm, 120 AR mags,, 45 AK mags, not too mention the 12,000 rds of 9mm, 65 glock 17 mags, 9000 rds of .45, and 35 CMC powermags for the 1911... I think I have a problem...NAH!!!

    -dave

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