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Colt XSE/Rail Guns and MC Operators are available all day for 1000-1100 if you shop around online. I'd challenge anyone to cite comments by an "SME" that regard either of these guns as "junk."
In fact the, ONLY "SME" I've come across that actually goes out of his way to be specific in his comments about make and model when it comes to 1911s is Hilton Yam. He speaks favorably of both as "duty grade" 1911s and has a pretty exhaustive run-down of what he considers to be the traits of a quality model.
Obviously, you'll want to examine each specimen to insure things are squared away, but I don't see why someone should have to expect to immediately send something like an MC Operator off for some kind of "tuning" straight out of the box. And if so, it isn't going to cost you 1K unless you plan on adding a lot of extraneous items like stippling, refinishing, etc.
General comments like "1911s never make it through a class" aren't exactly specific as they tell us nothing about the individual makes and models in question or what, if any, changes the owners decided to make to them.
"I have your number. Consider yourself warned."
Statements like "1911s never make it through a class" come from those who have a stake in the plastic gun industry in some form.
Having taken multiple classes at Gunsite when/where 1911's were the norm, most if not all seem to make it thru said classes. GunBug you hit it on the head. Some well known gun gurus went from the 1911 being the end all be all to the H&K, now the Glock, others the M&P. That said a 1911 must be cleaned and maintained, it's just the "youngsters" want to treat their guns like I treat my lawnmower (stole that), and that's fine if that's what they want. I and many others will invest time and effort into things.
Goes with 'personal pride", so lacking in most folks these days as witnessed by wanting a gov't that does everything for them !!
Last edited by 1oldgrunt; 10-13-14 at 20:20.
I am barely under 40, do I count as a youngster? BTW, I clean the hell out of all my guns. Plastic or not. Guns are machines and should be maintained accordingly.
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We are of the same (correct) school of thought. It might be astonishing news to some, but 1911s are performing in gun courses around the country as well as any other semi-auto pistol (better in many cases).
A few things that might be responsible for 1911 failures at the courses:
- Having brought a highly marketed and popular but crappy brand of 1911 to the course (most 1911 guys will know the brand I'm thinking of)
- Operator ignorance ("Oh, I should have some oil on the barrel lugs?")
- Bad magazines
- Bad ammo
- Some combination of the above
^Yup. I know EXACTLY what you're talkin' about!
1911s need cleaning? That's news to me. I've gone over 2K of Wolf with no cleaning.
Maintenance? Not really. Toss bad mags and a new recoil spring every now 'n then.
No different than any other pistol.
FWIW, I had 15 more failures out of my HK USP 40 then I did out of my colt rail gun (0) over roughly 1000 rounds. Both BNIB when starting. Ran about the same amount through a gen 3 Glock 19 with about 4 failures. Ran half that with a SIG 225 and had no failures. Ran a BNIB SA Loaded and had a FTF 6 times over 8 mags. Ran 10 mags through the SA mil spec with 0 fails. Ran 6 mags through the Taurus 1911 with 0 fails. Ran 10 mags through a PPS with 0 fails. All of this is to demonstrate that not all results are what you would expect. Pick a gun, maintain said gun, shoot it until you would bet your life on it.
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