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Thread: ATI M16 Complete Chrome Lined Bolt Carrier Group with Carpenter 158 Bolt

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmist View Post
    Coming from a guy who watches a machine make bolts and carriers all day.... I don't see how it's possible to make these, and sell them for that amount of $$$$. That's not even hourly machine rate on a spindle in our shop.
    I seem to recall ATI produces stuff in PI. I don't know where these are made......

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmist View Post
    Coming from a guy who watches a machine make bolts and carriers all day.... I don't see how it's possible to make these, and sell them for that amount of $$$$. That's not even hourly machine rate on a spindle in our shop.
    How long does it take to make a bolt and carrier? While am at it... How many suppliers do you make bolts for. I know better than to ask who but how many. Maybe a better question for the guy in that prints the shipping labels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    How long does it take to make a bolt and carrier? While am at it... How many suppliers do you make bolts for. I know better than to ask who but how many. Maybe a better question for the guy in that prints the shipping labels.
    Are you trying to get someone to spill trade secret information? Total machine time and how many customers a particular company has is none of your or my business.

    And what has this got to do with ATI bolts/bcgs anyway?

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    ATI imports a lot of Turkish stuff if i recall correctly, could be from Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    How long does it take to make a bolt and carrier? While am at it... How many suppliers do you make bolts for. I know better than to ask who but how many. Maybe a better question for the guy in that prints the shipping labels.
    Depends on the bolt, We make the complete body from solid bar stock, to a functional part on 8-Axis turn-mills. Bar goes in, done part comes out the other side. I need to keep the time to myself however. As far as how many suppliers..... a handful. To get back on topic, my point was that we could not in our shop make that part for that cheep. I know each shop is different, but it's just another data set to add to the conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LewP View Post
    Are you trying to get someone to spill trade secret information? Total machine time and how many customers a particular company has is none of your or my business.

    And what has this got to do with ATI bolts/bcgs anyway?
    The man suggested it takes more machine time at his rate than he could sell a bolt at ATI's price for. Curious me ask a couple of softball questions and I get chastised for it???? WTF

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    Many folks here think the ATI BCG is made in another country and that maybe true but unless PSA is playing word games with the description (As they have done in the past) the description states "Made in the USA", Now can they use this term legally if the Bolt and Carrier were just assembled (Not manufactured) here in the USA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    The man suggested it takes more machine time at his rate than he could sell a bolt at ATI's price for. Curious me ask a couple of softball questions and I get chastised for it???? WTF
    If it makes you feel better I didn't read your post as being after some super trade secret. I also don't agree with the assumption you were after a "secret" or the resultant keyboard whipping. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong. Not everyone operates this way.

    I suppose the assumption was that everyone has or should work in a machine shop and know with 100% certainty that this is a trade secret. -I and probably at least a few others have never and never will set foot in, let alone work in a machine shop.

    A better way to respond to your post would be to point out that it might be considered a trade secret and the poster probably wouldn't be able to divulge that information. But, yet again, not everyone operates or see's things like I see them.
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    HKGuns, enlarging on your statement a little a little, I thought that redmist's reply was thoughtful, gracious and answered the question in the spirit it was asked, so kudos to him.

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    There's no way that BCG is built to spec but it really doesn't matter to me because I buy BCM. The only other BCG I have bought and would trust is Colt and FN but BCM is top of the food chain in my book.
    Last edited by Berserkr556; 10-08-14 at 07:10.

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