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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    Exactly. And BCM has the largest variety of receivers on the market, so that helps, too. The bottom line in all of this is that there are a few brands out there that are of known quality.

    If you stick with BCM, Centurion, Colt, DD, LMT, and Sionics, you are going to be getting quality kit. If you need something a little more high end or specialized, there's HK, KAC, LaRue, Noveske, Wilson Combat, etc.

    Rainier Arms, Spike's, S&W, FN, and PSA may be alright on a case-by-case basis, and you should put a little more time and effort into the specs and checking the QC on these guns.

    I really can't think of another brand I'd be willing to trust.
    i have zero experience with Wilson, but rarely hear anyone recommend them. What does Wilson bring to the table that wild put them up there with KAC, HK, LaRue & Noveske?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrioticDisorder View Post
    i have zero experience with Wilson, but rarely hear anyone recommend them. What does Wilson bring to the table that wild put them up there with KAC, HK, LaRue & Noveske?
    The typical WC workmanship. I've had a Colt AR and a Wilson. The workmanship on the WC was much higher than the Colt. Which is what you would expect out of a rifle with that much higher of a price point.

    I've had no issues with my Wilson. It's a great rifle. Stupid accurate and reliable

    But, like their 1911s, they aren't for everyone.


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    IME with a lot of high speed types, what often makes them high speed is not necessarily that they are "the best" with pure weapons handling or marksmanship. They are very good, but many here could out shoot them. What makes them great is the total package. I will also note that the greater majority don't necessarily know the finer details of what makes a great rifle. Most of the SME types discussed in this thread would tend to be more the exception than the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTemplars View Post
    The typical WC workmanship. I've had a Colt AR and a Wilson. The workmanship on the WC was much higher than the Colt. Which is what you would expect out of a rifle with that much higher of a price point.

    I've had no issues with my Wilson. It's a great rifle. Stupid accurate and reliable

    But, like their 1911s, they aren't for everyone.


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    I have found that workmanship does not always equal functionship. You're right, their 1911's are not for everyone. After multiple warranty return trips, they finally bought my Supergrade Tactical back from me and I bought a SIG and a Glock and have had a much better go of things without all the malfunctions and sights falling off etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    IME with a lot of high speed types, what often makes them high speed is not necessarily that they are "the best" with pure weapons handling or marksmanship. They are very good, but many here could out shoot them. What makes them great is the total package. I will also note that the greater majority don't necessarily know the finer details of what makes a great rifle. Most of the SME types discussed in this thread would tend to be more the exception than the rule.
    I couldn't have said it better from my limited experience. I have attended a few classes with people who I consider "high-speed" (current SOCOM), and what impressed me most about them was how damn smart and well-rounded they were as people. The typical "in-practice" 3-gunner I have seen is a "better shot" on paper at the range. But if you drop them in a 3rd world hell-hole they might curl up and die of the shits rather than raise a government-altering army.

    Sometimes I feel like asking some of those high-speed guys about weapons is about asking a doctor which arterial line manufacturer they prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post

    Sometimes I feel like asking some of those high-speed guys about weapons is about asking a doctor which arterial line manufacturer they prefer.
    I've thought this for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alvincullumyork View Post
    I'm looking for instructors going on the record recommending specific brands of rifles. I'll post instructors with links to their recommendations at the top.


    The only one I can find easily is Larry Vickers but I would like to see a variety of names like Rob Pincus, Travis Haley, James Yeager, or Pat McNamara or really anyone else. I understand some instructor will endorse only the brand they are sponsored by or work for but that is not always the case (ala LAV) and I think it would be interesting to see where they all fall.

    Edit: What I want specifically is;

    1. Instructor
    2. Link to them stating that brand x makes a good rifle
    3. Link to them stating that brand x makes a bad rifle
    4. Link to brand x that sponsors them or carries there signature rifle


    A (s) by the company name means that the instructor is sponsored by or has a rifle with that company

    Larry Vickers - Daniel Defense(s), BCM(s), Colt
    Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKD-CmX4zQ

    James Yeager - Spikes Tactical, Daniel Defense, Barrett
    Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe3q...ature=youtu.be

    Pat Rogers - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Travis Haley - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    John Chapman - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Pat McNamara - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Mike Pannone - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Kyle Defoor - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Tom Spooner - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    JD Potynsky - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Ken Hackathorn - BCM (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php

    Frank Proctor - BCM (s), Troy (s)
    http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/index.php
    http://troydefense.com/portfolio/proctor-carbine/

    Kyle Lamb - Troy (s)
    http://troydefense.com/portfolio/sgm-lamb-carbine/

    Paul Howe - Wilson Combat (s)
    http://wilsoncombat.com/new/rifle-pa...p#.VDS-QEtPUdt
    You left out Costa - the most celebrity of all the instructors even. LaRue has a carbine with his name all over it. Both him and Haley are also known to run and endorse KAC guns.

    ETA: I guess I should've read all five pages of this thread before I spit that out. Anyway, that dude Grady Powell from Asymmetric Solutions seems to like the Black Rain Ordnance. Personally, I don't give two ****s who endorses what guns. I'd like to think that I've got a lot of personal experience behind the trigger in real world applications to decide for myself what I want in a fighting carbine (accessories aside). Nevertheless this has been a fun read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf View Post
    IME with a lot of high speed types, what often makes them high speed is not necessarily that they are "the best" with pure weapons handling or marksmanship. They are very good, but many here could out shoot them. What makes them great is the total package. I will also note that the greater majority don't necessarily know the finer details of what makes a great rifle. Most of the SME types discussed in this thread would tend to be more the exception than the rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PD Sgt. View Post
    I am pretty sure in some of his Panteo videos Paul Howe uses a pretty worn looking Larue, though I do not know or recall if he specifically endorsed or recommended it. Not too surprising if you consider they are both located in TX.
    Not surprising. I've worked with quite a few former unit guys who liked LaRue products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Many moons ago, some very well known instructors informed me that not all Tier 1 and 2 guys were "gun guys." Meaning, they know nothing about what makes a quality weapon. I initially rejected this notion, but over my many years to talking with this group of guys (some active duty, some retired, etc), it became painfully apparent that this statement was true.

    In Mr. Howe's case, I believe that he wanted a rifle spec'd out a certain way and DPMS was one of the few companies that offered to make it (read setup with the rails, grips, stock, etc) that he liked.


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