26" OAL + SB15 + VFG Clarification

[JG007]

is this what everyone is referencing?

at least 26"

AND

not concealed on a person


http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

[Renegade04]

Yeah I'd like to know also, I have a 10.5" barrelled pistol that has a sb15 brace on it and would like to put a vfg on it if legal also.

As long as the OAL (from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the muzzle of the barrel) is 26" or more, then a VFG is okay to use. Remember, a muzzle device does not count in the OAL unless it is permanently attached and any over hang from the SIG Brace does not count either.

[m4fun]

My normally good google-fu is out of alignment as I try to catch up on this one:

1) A pistol(that is a in AR parlance, MUST be under 26" from end of buffer tube to muzzle crown(or end of fixed muzzle break)?
2) Adding a VFG makes aforementioned AR pistol makes it an SBR?

What is the deal with over 26" that allows you to add a VFG? Isn't that no longer a pistol or is that an AOW/SBR or some other weird pistol???

[702Warfighter]

Atf considers under 26" concealable and over to not be easily concealable. It's surprising how many people think the shorter barrel length alone makes it illegal. I've even received pm's from people telling me it's illegal. Once I explain to them and refer them to the Franklin Armory XO 26 where there is a letter from the atf explaining it better, then they understand.

Note: Once a vertical grip is added it is no longer considered a pistol but a NON aow or simply just a firearm. Take off the vfg and it's a pistol again.

[LastRites]

Atf considers under 26" concealable and over to not be easily concealable. It's surprising how many people think the shorter barrel length alone makes it illegal. I've even received pm's from people telling me it's illegal. Once I explain to them and refer them to the Franklin Armory XO 26 where there is a letter from the atf explaining it better, then they understand.

Note: Once a vertical grip is added it is no longer considered a pistol but a NON aow or simply just a firearm. Take off the vfg and it's a pistol again.

On a side note, do not conceal a vertical fore gripped firearm as then it is considered an AOW in the eye's of our big brother. Second to last paragraph, last sentence of the Franklin letter.

[JusticeM4]

This is good info and confirmation.

I might try a Magpul VFG on my 10.5" pistol since its over 26" and see how I like shooting it vs an AFG.

[sauceboss]

Justice you can use an afg on a pistol even under 26 inches. Unless you mean a vfg

[JusticeM4]

Justice you can use an afg on a pistol even under 26 inches. Unless you mean a vfg

No, I meant I will try using a VFG on my 10.5" pistol. I was unsure of this until the clarification and reading the ATF letter.

I have always used AFG's which are legal anyway.

[Koshinn]

This needs to be a sticky. Every couple weeks, usually when the last thread gets buried, a new pops up.

[Face]

This is great info.

Would appreciate a clarification on the 26"+ as it applies to CCW. I've read so many threads trying to confirm my understanding but I have not come across this specific question. If this has been addressed, I either missed the post or misunderstood.

1. Am I correct in understanding thet my PWS MK110P which has the sig brace, a 10.75" barrel, and overall length of 26.75" can utilize a VFG but I am no longer lawfully permitted to conceal it - specifically my example would be to be part of my EDC package but limited to my vehicle.

2. When I remove the grip it remains an AOW due to the length being 26.75". And therefore, I am still not permitted to conceal in my vehicle because it is not technically a pistol/handgun due to its length? The AOW designation is throwing me off and im needing clarification from that perspective. When I purchased this weapon, I had hoped it would be considered the same as my pistol. In Ohio, you must have a CCW permit in order to have a loaded weapon in the vehicle. So I may have mistakenly assumed that since the weapon is called an AR pistol and sold as such from PWS, I could have it as part of my vehicle kit Ive put together for my vehicle and it would be legally considered no different from any normal hand gun.

Any information and clarification would be appreciated.

Thanks much!