Anyone else excited about the Steiner T5XI 1-5x?

[JoshNC]

The new PM II ShortDot with CC is dual.

Dot in SFP and reticle in FFP. Just like the minox.

The old one with both in SFP is being discontinued.

Well...crap. That will make me spend money when it is released.

[Digital_Damage]

Well...crap. That will make me spend money when it is released.

Played with one, they did a good job on the demo units. No idea when they hit the market. Two knocks I have is 100m parallax and just a plane Jane mildot cc in+1 mode.

From their product paperwork

With the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC Schmidt & Bender present anonther concept of his 8 time magnification riflescopes. In contrast to the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC CC with a reticle and FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC has a FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane and an illuminable reticle at the 1st focal plane. This combines the advantage of both a reflex sight and a riflescope, which is an ideal solution for mobile use in urban terrain from short to medium distances. The FlashDot allows in combination with the CC Mode (Close Combat Mode) the usage as a reflex sight for short distances. In this mode the riflescope has a true 1 time magnification and is parallax free to 7m. By increasing the magnification above the CC Mode the riflescope is parallax free to 100m. Since the FlashDot is located in the 2nd focal plane the size of the dot stays constant. Hereby three different illumination increments are eligible. At higher magnifications the Mildot reticle in the 1st focal plane can be used. Thus a opportunity for a direct measurement of target and object sizes is enabled. With a maximum magnification of 8 the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is also an ideal riflescope for identification purposes and operations up to medium distances. Hereby the illumination of the reticle can be regulated in 8 different increments, whereof three are optimized for the usage with a night vision.

With a weight of just 639g, a length of 293mm and a 30mm main tube diameter the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is compact 2 in 1 system. Thereby it has a field of view between 35.3m and 4.9m at 100m. The elevation and windage turrets are lockable to protect the zero position against unintentional adjustment. Additionally to the black version of the riflescope it is also in camouflage colours RAL8000 and PANTONE 7504 available.

[WS6]

Played with one, they did a good job on the demo units. No idea when they hit the market. Two knocks I have is 100m parallax and just a plane Jane mildot cc in+1 mode.

From their product paperwork

With the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC Schmidt & Bender present anonther concept of his 8 time magnification riflescopes. In contrast to the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC CC with a reticle and FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC has a FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane and an illuminable reticle at the 1st focal plane. This combines the advantage of both a reflex sight and a riflescope, which is an ideal solution for mobile use in urban terrain from short to medium distances. The FlashDot allows in combination with the CC Mode (Close Combat Mode) the usage as a reflex sight for short distances. In this mode the riflescope has a true 1 time magnification and is parallax free to 7m. By increasing the magnification above the CC Mode the riflescope is parallax free to 100m. Since the FlashDot is located in the 2nd focal plane the size of the dot stays constant. Hereby three different illumination increments are eligible. At higher magnifications the Mildot reticle in the 1st focal plane can be used. Thus a opportunity for a direct measurement of target and object sizes is enabled. With a maximum magnification of 8 the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is also an ideal riflescope for identification purposes and operations up to medium distances. Hereby the illumination of the reticle can be regulated in 8 different increments, whereof three are optimized for the usage with a night vision.

With a weight of just 639g, a length of 293mm and a 30mm main tube diameter the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is compact 2 in 1 system. Thereby it has a field of view between 35.3m and 4.9m at 100m. The elevation and windage turrets are lockable to protect the zero position against unintentional adjustment. Additionally to the black version of the riflescope it is also in camouflage colours RAL8000 and PANTONE 7504 available.

Looks heavy and long, to me, and will it be more durable than the 1-4 SD's? All-in-all, it looks like it's already a has-been, to be honest. Too heavy, too long, doesn't have a track record I personally trust. It's going to get upstaged pretty badly next year by a couple of companies unless those specs and reticles seriously improve before it's actually released. Of course, knowing how long it took for the 1-8 SD to actually come out in any form, they may have a few years to iron it out before we see it, lol

[Digital_Damage]

Looks heavy and long, to me, and will it be more durable than the 1-4 SD's? All-in-all, it looks like it's already a has-been, to be honest. Too heavy, too long, doesn't have a track record I personally trust. It's going to get upstaged pretty badly next year by a couple of companies unless those specs and reticles seriously improve before it's actually released. Of course, knowing how long it took for the 1-8 SD to actually come out in any form, they may have a few years to iron it out before we see it, lol

The weight and length is comparable to other 1-8 scopes in their class. Most of the weight is glass. 600-650 g is the norm , 11-12 is the norm for true 1-8x.

Not many companies in their competitive range. Minox, leupold (MK8), etc... only a handful of super high-end OEM glass manufactures out there.

Some solicitations are dropping 4x, so I doubt the high-end manufactures will be advancing the 1-4 range of optics. You will see more 1-6 and 1-8 in DFP or FFP instead of SFP.

If I had my pick it would be the Minox ZP and M10+ reticle (but with half mil marks, bighter dot ranges.)

[WS6]

The weight and length is comparable to other 1-8 scopes in their class. Most of the weight is glass. 600-650 g is the norm , 11-12 is the norm for true 1-8x.

Not many companies in their competitive range. Minox, leupold (MK8), etc... only a handful of super high-end OEM glass manufactures out there.

Some solicitations are dropping 4x, so I doubt the high-end manufactures will be advancing the 1-4 range of optics. You will see more 1-6 and 1-8 in DFP or FFP instead of SFP.

If I had my pick it would be the Minox ZP and M10+ reticle (but with half mil marks, bighter dot ranges.)

Well, the one I can talk about is Swarovski's, they have a true 1-8. It weighs just a hair over 18oz, but IS 11.9" long, and the reticle kindof sucks. However, stay tuned for some better offerings from other companies.

[Digital_Damage]

Well, the one I can talk about is Swarovski's, they have a true 1-8. It weighs just a hair over 18oz, but IS 11.9" long, and the reticle kindof sucks. However, stay tuned for some better offerings from other companies.

I assume you are referring to the Z8i, not the new one.

With the Z8i, once you add the turrets it hits close to 600g.



The Achilles heal of most manufactures is the inability to get the super high-end OEM glass at a reasonable price. Most of the super high-end scope manufactures started making glass before they ever made scopes and that shows in the end. They don't have to engage OEM manufactures and deal with complicated imports.

Most of your mid-tier "made in usa" scopes glass comes from the same two OEM manufactures in Japan. Some "lower"-end scopes have been creeping onto the same manufactures. So unless their is a lift in the import taxes for goods from some other places in the world the glass will remain the same. Those companies are more like integrators than manufactures, and if you are in integrator you need to win out on features.

[WS6]

I assume you are referring to the Z8i, not the new one.

With the Z8i, once you add the turrets it hits close to 600g.



The Achilles heal of most manufactures is the inability to get the super high-end OEM glass at a reasonable price. Most of the super high-end scope manufactures started making glass before they ever made scopes and that shows in the end. They don't have to engage OEM manufactures and deal with complicated imports.

Most of your mid-tier "made in usa" scopes glass comes from the same two OEM manufactures in Japan. Some "lower"-end scopes have been creeping onto the same manufactures. So unless their is a lift in the import taxes for goods from some other places in the world the glass will remain the same. Those companies are more like integrators than manufactures, and if you are in integrator you need to win out on features.

Honestly, I am okay with "really good glass" as opposed to "amazing glass", if the durability, total package (size and weight), and reticles offered, are superb. For example, I love my NF 1-4's. I dumped AMAZING glass for them, and don't miss it. They are GOOD glass, sure, but nothing anyone with other high end glass is going to wax eloquent about. You know what they ARE, though? Light, compact, have very useful reticles (for MY purpose), and are hell for tough. I honestly think that AMAZING glass is about the last attribute I look for in an optic, now days, when pretty much any scope from any decent company is going to satisfy my eyes in that regard. I pay attention to things like diopter shift with magnification change (VCOG is the undisputed champion of causing me a headache, while my K16i was the very nicest to look through, and others I've had and played with fall somewhere on the continuum).

I guess what I'm saying is that sexy Schott glass just isn't that high up on my make/break list.

[Digital_Damage]

Honestly, I am okay with "really good glass" as opposed to "amazing glass", if the durability, total package (size and weight), and reticles offered, are superb. For example, I love my NF 1-4's. I dumped AMAZING glass for them, and don't miss it. They are GOOD glass, sure, but nothing anyone with other high end glass is going to wax eloquent about. You know what they ARE, though? Light, compact, have very useful reticles (for MY purpose), and are hell for tough. I honestly think that AMAZING glass is about the last attribute I look for in an optic, now days, when pretty much any scope from any decent company is going to satisfy my eyes in that regard. I pay attention to things like diopter shift with magnification change (VCOG is the undisputed champion of causing me a headache, while my K16i was the very nicest to look through, and others I've had and played with fall somewhere on the continuum).

I guess what I'm saying is that sexy Schott glass just isn't that high up on my make/break list.

I get what you are saying, I would trade the glass in a minox 1-8 for NF level glass for a brighter dot and half mil.

Not that imperative on a 1-8 during the day, but the glass quality becomes very apparent on 5-25 at dusk.

I have no idea why NF keeps shooting themselves in the foot the last 4 years, the new ATACR 4-16x50 is a complete disaster and missed opportunity.

They seem to be getting Leopold-itus (same tired concepts), Leupold sat back and got over taken by not innovating. Then Leupold came out swinging and started making some very nice stuff. I keep hearing rumors of awesome new stuff from nightforce coming out then when I get the specs I'm like "what, why?"

[JoshNC]

Played with one, they did a good job on the demo units. No idea when they hit the market. Two knocks I have is 100m parallax and just a plane Jane mildot cc in+1 mode.

From their product paperwork

With the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC Schmidt & Bender present anonther concept of his 8 time magnification riflescopes. In contrast to the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC CC with a reticle and FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane the new version of the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC has a FlashDot in the 2nd focal plane and an illuminable reticle at the 1st focal plane. This combines the advantage of both a reflex sight and a riflescope, which is an ideal solution for mobile use in urban terrain from short to medium distances. The FlashDot allows in combination with the CC Mode (Close Combat Mode) the usage as a reflex sight for short distances. In this mode the riflescope has a true 1 time magnification and is parallax free to 7m. By increasing the magnification above the CC Mode the riflescope is parallax free to 100m. Since the FlashDot is located in the 2nd focal plane the size of the dot stays constant. Hereby three different illumination increments are eligible. At higher magnifications the Mildot reticle in the 1st focal plane can be used. Thus a opportunity for a direct measurement of target and object sizes is enabled. With a maximum magnification of 8 the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is also an ideal riflescope for identification purposes and operations up to medium distances. Hereby the illumination of the reticle can be regulated in 8 different increments, whereof three are optimized for the usage with a night vision.

With a weight of just 639g, a length of 293mm and a 30mm main tube diameter the 1-8x24 PM II ShortDot Dual CC is compact 2 in 1 system. Thereby it has a field of view between 35.3m and 4.9m at 100m. The elevation and windage turrets are lockable to protect the zero position against unintentional adjustment. Additionally to the black version of the riflescope it is also in camouflage colours RAL8000 and PANTONE 7504 available.

I really hope they start offering more than just a mil reticle. Time will tell.

[MSparks909]

Bumping this thread back up. Purchased a Steiner 1-5 T5Xi last week during the BF sale. Ended up getting it for $1100 shipped from B&H photo. Paired it with an Aero Precision ultra lightweight SPR 30mm mount and stuck it on my KAC SR15. Taking the package to the range tomorrow to zero and do some 500 yard shooting. I'll keep a rolling update going as I get more time behind the scope. Might do a full review once I get several thousand rounds behind the scope.

I will say initial quality seems superb. Glass is very clear, no noticeable fish eye on 1x. Red dot is easily daytime visible and appears just like my Aimpoints. Reticle is simple, uncluttered. BDC calls for a 200 yard zero with 62gr. 855. BDC marks out to 600. Zoom lever is smooth but snug; cattail is appreciated. Adjustable focus ring with lock ring, 11 brightness settings with off positions between each setting. Auto shutoff after 3 hours. CR2045 battery. Included high quality flip caps. Lifetime warranty (transferable). I look forward to putting this scope through its paces.

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