Am out at the moment so this be quick. But could be reaction between cleaning solvent and copper. Will make more guesses in this regard as soon as i get home.Originally Posted by HD1911
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Am out at the moment so this be quick. But could be reaction between cleaning solvent and copper. Will make more guesses in this regard as soon as i get home.
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Okay, I am back and did check one of my rifles that has been more PMC Bronze recently than the others. Did appear that perhaps there might be some pale blue residue at the muzzle near the flash hider, though it could have been just the light and soot that had built up. Now I did have a similar thing going on with one of my BCMs the other week, but it was more of a green residue. My thoughts at the time, and still are, that it was just copper fouling that took on a patina due to the solvent used wit clean the bore out. I know some will turn the fouling blue or greenish if I am remembering correctly so that was my assumption. The one with the green residue cleaned up fine and doesn't show any at the moment following being cleaned last time. Won't be this time, but I have a baggy of PMC Bronze that is on the rotation to be shot up, will run through it and before cleaning inspect my BCM and see if I see the same thing. Will likely be a couple weeks before I get the chance though.
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Have shot PMC a LOT of the past couple years.
I have had 1 experience with the green residue.
The entire inside of my rifle turned green.....
Also from time to time I find that after cleaning, there will be a little green residue on the inside of the FH.
After my whole rifle turned green I freaked out and posted a thread here about it...
Apparently it is a thing with either the copper residue + burnt powder reacting to moisture, or potentially a cleaning solvent like Hoppes reacting to the copper.
No big deal apparently- should clean right off. Being my picky self though, I wouldn't let it sit for long in that condition...
You may find these two threads helpful;
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...esidue-on-bolt
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ded-New-Update
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When you say green residue, is this what you are referring to? If so, complete normal from some ammo.
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Last edited by Onyx Z; 11-09-14 at 09:27.
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I use hoppes so that would seem to be a good chance that the Hoppes and the fact that my basement was humid during that period could have caused a reaction in the gun to great some green residue. Though, as I said, it cleaned up fine and function and accuracy was not effected so no worries.Have shot PMC a LOT of the past couple years.
I have had 1 experience with the green residue.
The entire inside of my rifle turned green.....
Also from time to time I find that after cleaning, there will be a little green residue on the inside of the FH.
After my whole rifle turned green I freaked out and posted a thread here about it...
Apparently it is a thing with either the copper residue + burnt powder reacting to moisture, or potentially a cleaning solvent like Hoppes reacting to the copper.
No big deal apparently- should clean right off. Being my picky self though, I wouldn't let it sit for long in that condition...
You may find these two threads helpful;
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...esidue-on-bolt
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ded-New-Update
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Yes, kind of, but not to that extent, likely because at the time the rifle only had a couple hundred rounds through it.When you say green residue, is this what you are referring to? If so, complete normal from some ammo.
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I've shot and have a lot of both, still. I haven't chrono'd any of it, but I find as far as accuracy goes, generally the Wolf Gold is more accurate, however not in every rifle. I have one that really loves it, and a couple where the Wolf and PMC are about the same, and another that shoots the Wolf 3" at 100 and the PMC at about 1.5" or so at 100yds.
Similar to bolt action hunting guns, where one rifle will love one load, and another in the same caliber will spit it all over the place.
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Last edited by jbylake; 11-09-14 at 18:18.
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Good god man, where did you store your rifle afterwards? That blue residue, as mentioned by a previous posted is oxidized copper (think the Statue of Liberty)...
I vote Wolff Gold... I've shot a ton of both and the Wolff is heads and shoulders above the PMC. That reminds me.. about time to buy another couple of cases.
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In my gun safe, in my basement. At the time we had some issues with humidity though so that was likely the issue. Have since resolved that particular issue.
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Was looking at order a 1,000 box of .223 rounds soon
I have shot PMC fine but it is OOS right now
But I run across this Wolf Gold and it's $15 less (295 for PMC 280 for Wolf Gold 1K Box) and I was wanting to know more.
Also my gun is new so I feel uncomfortable ordering a thousand rounds of something that I have not shot before.
But the price is really good for 1K
Hmmm .. to wait for PMC to be back in stock or try my luck on the Wolf?
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