I am very interested in this. Any idea if it will work with AAC 300 BO? If so I will be all over this.
Thanks
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I am very interested in this. Any idea if it will work with AAC 300 BO? If so I will be all over this.
Thanks
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I just got an email from Troy Industries, they said no to all gas pistons guns. They did say that it has been tested on AAC 300 Blackout and it worked just fine.
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"I have never heard anyone say after a firefight that I wish that I had not taken so much ammo.", ME
"Texas can make it without the United States, but the United States can't make it without Texas !", General Sam Houston
When you want to remove the upper receiver from a gun with the PDW installed, these are the steps we would suggest following although there may be variations of these that work just as well or better.
1) Remove any magazines and check for a safe and clear weapon.
2) Secure the weapon to allow for use of both hands from this point forward. Preferably in a vice or fixture with a magwell block so that the lower receiver will not move around.
3) While keeping sufficient pressure on the upper receiver to ensure it doesn't get pushed off due to the buffer spring tension that is acting on it, pop both pivot and takedown pins out.
4) Slowly lift the upper receiver up and forward or away from the stock until gradually the buffer spring tension has been dissipated. Obviously be sure to keep the upper receiver as level as possible to avoid having your BCG and/or Charging handle fall out.
Here is a scanned image of the installation instructions that come in the PDW Box from Troy. And yes, they stop at step 5, nothing on the back of the page and no second sheet, at least not in the box we opened. They must think the rest of the steps are self-explanatory, which for the most part they are the same as any other AR minus the fact about there being no need for a buffer retainer which is mentioned in step 1.
PDW Instructions 1.jpg
Anybody have any time behind one of these? Any updates in any regard?
ETC (SW/AW), USN (1998-2008)
CVN-65, USS Enterprise
Hello hotrodder636,
We do and here are some unbiased observations. We have run them on a 5.56mm 10.5" SBR with and without a suppressor and on standard 16" AR-15's.
- The gun looks awesome and everyone that sees it is a fan.
- For storage and easy of transportation purposes this is the best stock we have used. In the compact position the 10.5" SBR has a total length of only 22 inches and with the stock fully extended it is 26.75 inches. You can do that math for what those would be on a 16" rifle.
- We are big fans because at 22 inches it's the perfect "truck gun" to keep under the back seat and as the name "PDW" implies it's extremely maneuverable in tight spaces such as inside a vehicle, especially if you need to access it in a hurry.
- All the guns we have used them on have functioned flawlessly, no cycling or ejecting issues and recoil is not excessive which some people have expressed concerns about given the BCG and Buffer are combined and the "buffer tube" which is part of the kit, is shorter than a carbine buffer tube.
- With the PDW Stock there is no castle nut but there is a set screw on the bottom of the stock just back from the button you must press to adjust the length of the stock. That set screw can be tightened down to contact and seat between the ridges on the buffer tube to prevent it from loosening
As for the cons, if you want to call them that...
1) Everything on the PDW Stock is metal including the stock itself and the end of it that makes contact with your shoulder is fairly aggressively textured which is great for a lot of reason. However, that texture pattern creates some relatively sharp edges or points on the outer edges of the buttpad. It's a little missleading to call it a butpad because there is no padding whatsoever. In fact, after a full 30 round mag, your shoulder starts to feel it because of the pointed edges and you may or may not go home with a little bruising or slight irritation of the skin where those points make contact. Of course the type of clothing you're wearing at the time will play a major role in how much or little. Obviously there are a number of ways to address that from filling them down to customizing it with a layer of rubber, or neoprene, or probably even a few layers of tape will help. If enough of these PDW Stock sell we would be surprised if Troy or another company doesn't come out with some type of ruberized butpad to address this. Or, Troy may revise the texture pattern to eliminate the couple of areas with sharp points.
2) The location and functionality of how the length of the stock can be adjusted does not make for easy one handed manipulation. In fact, it's damn near impossible with one hand, we don't want to say it is impossible because someone will figure out a way but it's definitely not as easy as a traditional adjustable carbine stock. This is mostly due to the fact that the button or lever you have to press to make the adjustment is located on the bottom just behind the end of the lower receiver and it is stationary meaning it doesn't move with the stock as it's being retracted. Because of that extending the stock from the collapsed position is a two handed task but collapsing it can be done with one hand on the button and pressure applied with your shoulder or anything else really. You can get it to collapse with just gravity if you push the button and point the gun toward the ground however, without adding some lube to the rails, which we haven't tried yet, we have to gently shake the gun a couple of times to get gravity alone to do the job.
3) With the stock in the collapsed position the rear takedown pin is slightly obstructed and can not be removed to break the gun apart. The stock must be in either the most extended or second most extended position to totally clear of the rear takedown pin.
4) We haven't installed the PDW Stock on a gun with the Magpul BAD Lever or any of the other versions of those battery assist levers but just from eyeballing it, it appears to be quite possible that the end of the rail on the left side of the gun will be very close or may make contact with the lever when the stock is fully collapsed. That's not a huge deal because you can lock the stock in multiple position so if it does make contact you can just leave it one position out.
Thanks for taking the time to give some details on this. I too will be interested to see if sales numbers on this are high.
ETC (SW/AW), USN (1998-2008)
CVN-65, USS Enterprise
I've got a lot of interest in this type of system for my 11.5" BCM (stamp should be here within the next 2-3 days), and the 8.5" .300 I am going to build next.
The buttpad looks like it would work well against a plate carrier (big plus), but maybe too aggressive against regular clothes (big negative). That's just based on looks though. I understand the need for the new BCG, and how that ups the price as well, I'm curious to see the overall quality.
I wish one of my friends had one of these so I could try it in person and make a truly informed purchase. Unfortunately, I am the one that they all rely on to buy and test the new thing, so that idea is out.
The issue with one handed operation of extending also concerns me as well. Small package makes it ideal for vehicle use, but if it's not quick to open, that kind of negates that benefit.
So, I am interested, but very cautious, especially based on price.
So does anyone here have some real range time with this kit? If rugged and reliable, seems like a possible game changer. Have heard very little though from the BTDT AR crew.
- Will
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