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    When something is designed for more than one purpose there will be a compromise of the effectiveness of that product for any one role. Are you going to be shooting prone or off bench a lot? Or are you going to be shooting while standing, kneeling or on the run? These are things that you should consider. You may find that a bipod/grip combo to be cumbersome and clumsy when used as a vertical grip, then you may just take it off altogether. I would buy a quality vertical grip from TD or Larue etc. And get one of those cheap plastic bipods that clamp onto the barrel via spring tension that can be taken off in a second. Just my .02

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    ok thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by PYRO31888 View Post
    At the next local gun show i plan to buy a Stag Arms M4. They are around $750 which is a great price compared to Stags website. But i want to get a Pivoting Bipod and a Flashlight. I was thinking of going with CAA. What do you guys think?

    Just as an FYI, $750 for a Stag means that it is NOT factory built weapon. Some dealer has put it together.

    CAA stuff sucks. For flashlights, the SF G2L is an excellent choice.


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    oh ok that doesnt mean the quality of the gun changes right??... then what other company has the Bipod grip?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PYRO31888 View Post
    oh ok that doesnt mean the quality of the gun changes right??... then what other company has the Bipod grip?
    Why don't you take a look at this thread - https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7297 - and check with Grant about availability. I know that if I was going to buy a low cost AR that I would trust as a go to gun, that would be at the top of my list. I know, I know it is just slightly more than $750 but you're getting a quality build with quality parts from a trusted dealer, not a Joe Schmo gun show fly by night vendor that you'll never see again.

    Alternatively, if you are just looking for a plinker, check out this thread - https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=13279 - it's probably the best built el-cheapo (only in cost really) plinker you're ever gonna buy as a complete (well you do still need to buy a trigger/hammer but that's easy and cheap) rifle.

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    CAA stuff does suck, regardless of what the gun mags say about the stuff.
    Skip the grip pod, skip the bipod, learn to shoot off a bag.
    If you are on a low budget then buy a 10 pack of mags from bravo company for $120, great deal to get you rolling.
    http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-...f%2010pack.htm
    Then since the weapon you are interested in has a 1/9 twist- you wont benefit from shooting anything over 62 grain ammo.
    This stuff is cheap- but runs great for the money:
    http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/W...55grn_FMJ.html

    Keep your weapon bone stock until you shoot 1,000 rounds through it. If it makes it there with out any problems then experiment with accessories. Try out what others have had before you buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PYRO31888 View Post
    oh ok that doesnt mean the quality of the gun changes right??... then what other company has the Bipod grip?
    There is only really one quality maker of the Grip Pod. http://www.mountsplus.com/miva/merch.../CTGY/GRIP_POD



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    So... Stag is in the crap catagory... whats ADS in? Because if i buy a Stag and i keep posting in here about stuff breaking on it i know im going to see a lot of "i told you so" so if i get one that people recommend then i wont have to blame myself for a bad buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PYRO31888 View Post
    So... Stag is in the crap catagory... whats ADS in? Because if i buy a Stag and i keep posting in here about stuff breaking on it i know im going to see a lot of "i told you so" so if i get one that people recommend then i wont have to blame myself for a bad buy.
    I would not label Stag as "crap." I would label then in the non-serious use catagory.

    ADS is better than Stag. LMT is better than ADS.

    Did you review the "chart" that has the specs on all the common AR's made?


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    Quote Originally Posted by PYRO31888 View Post
    So... Stag is in the crap catagory... whats ADS in? Because if i buy a Stag and i keep posting in here about stuff breaking on it i know im going to see a lot of "i told you so" so if i get one that people recommend then i wont have to blame myself for a bad buy.
    I think the point people are trying to make is, if you are going to shoot the living piss out of the gun, buy a Colt, Noveske, LMT. If you are only going to shoot around 1K rounds or less a year and keep it NIB clean, then Stag is an economical option. However, if you buy a Stag and decide you want to run it hard and stuff breaks, then people will say "we told you so".

    I advocate having Grant build you one in your price range- Not that I'm a cheerleader. When I'm not in Iraq, I sell guns at a Gander Mtn. and I hear the shit dealers say to sell a gun... Grant is not the typical "Gun Dealer" that spews out the bullshit printed latest Gun Magazine-
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