Best all around scope for all around ar.

[BadDogPSD]

I have a SWFA 1-6 and am very happy with it. Its in a SWFA slightly forward mount. Pretty much a red dot at 1x, and a decent reticle to punch paper or bang steel out to several hundred yards.

[FourT6and2]

I haven't looked through the Khales, but definitely more than what I would want to spend although I'm sure the glass, field of view and illumination are nice, I'm not a huge fan of the reticle design. For $2500ish (plus mount & cat tail) I would demand excellent turrets like the Mk6 (or preferably CQBSS) have along with a much improved reticle. I think the Z6i would make more sense if you wanted to spend that kind of money, their BRT is mil based and has mil measurements for Windage as well (far from a perfect reticle but an improvement over Khales offerings IMO). I'd also be worried about the ruggedness of the Khales or Swaro vs. A Mk6 or VCOG...

I have a SWFA 1-6 and am very happy with it. Its in a SWFA slightly forward mount. Pretty much a red dot at 1x, and a decent reticle to punch paper or bang steel out to several hundred yards.

Question: at 1x, if you use it with both eyes open like a RDS, do you need to readjust the diopter for proper focus?

[jstalford]

I'd also be worried about the ruggedness of the Khales or Swaro vs. A Mk6 or VCOG...

I'm not saying they are the most durable and I'm not going to go run over mine with the Jeep to find out, but I don't think it's something to worry about.

In the United States, HPS is the importer, distributor and face of Kahles. Amazingly, the owner of HPS is Jeff Huber, one of the original founders, patent holders, and recent past Vice-President of Nightforce Optics (he was the original employee at Nightforce and led Nightforce Optics for 22 years). He’s the one who made Nightforce the company you’ve all heard of. You’d be hard pressed to find a nicer guy with as much hands on experience in the optics field. When Jeff tells you that there are no tougher scopes on the market than the new lines at Kahles, it means something. Jeff is also involved in the design of the Kahles optics being imported into the U.S. and makes frequent trips to the factory in Austria.

I had the SWFA 1-6 before this for a short time and the improvement in glass/weight/fov/illumination/eye box is noticeable.

[Koshinn]

People are really paying 2 grand plus for an AR scope?

Wow...the economy must not be that bad after all! LOL

My AR has a Mk8 on top of it. That's a $5,700 msrp optic, although I don't think anyone pays anywhere near msrp for it. I certainly didn't.

It's heavy, it's expensive, it's large, it doesn't have good battery life, it's barely visible at 1x without illumination, and the illumination is weird. But even with all that, it's my favorite optic. When the batteries are charged, it's a red dot at 1x. At 8x, it has amazing glass and a great reticle for precision shooting.

I think it's perfect for a 16-18" precision AR or .308 semi auto. I would not run it on a weapon for dedicated close quarters use, nor would I run it on a bolt gun. But if you could only have one optic to put on every weapon, the mk8 would be it.