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Thread: Out with the MP5s and in with the...Rock River M4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkop View Post
    So these are not LE "Select Fire" M4's? and are just AR-15's?

    I think LE price on a real "Select Fire" Colt M4 is only $1200.00 How much cheaper are these RRA's and why didn't your agency go with real M4's for duty use?
    Correct, just AR-15s. As far as your question, I really don't know. I thought maybe it was because our AO is in downtown Manhattan so they wouldn't want anything with a full auto. But our guys who work at CJIS in WV, which has over a hundred acres of mostly open ground, also have the AR-15 assigned.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocsteady View Post
    I'm anxious to take 'em out and put some rounds downrange. Typical training day might be 5 or 600 rounds and I'd feel good to get through that with no stoppages or malfunctions just to start out on the right foot I guess.
    I think you should be good to go. As Iraq Guns alluded most RRA are over gassed, but I haven't seen any reliability issues with it. Check the bolt carrier key staking, keep the BCG wet and shoot the daylights out of it.
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    I recently taught at a class where we had three FBI SWAT units from three major cities and all of them had turned in their RRA's for Colts. I was under the impression that this was being phased in Bureau wide?
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    The few RRA's ive seen have had rifle uppers with dremeled in M4 feed ramps and as Iraqgunz mentions, grossly overgassed. Ive talked to a Sheriff buddy of mine who hates his issued RRA as do most of his friends in the department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Trooper05 View Post
    I recently taught at a class where we had three FBI SWAT units from three major cities and all of them had turned in their RRA's for Colts. I was under the impression that this was being phased in Bureau wide?
    Rarely see the agents with theirs as most have little or no use for it in their day-to-day but I am going to pay more attention to who has what when we're at the range. Thus far it seems to be fairly evenly mixed between RRA and Colts.

    Still lots of agents and officers who see it as you open the case and say, "It looks nice", possibly identifying the Eotech and that's the extent of their knowledge on the subject.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    I really wish the Bureau still hosted the family shoots like they did back in the mid-late 90s. So much MP5 enjoyment to be had.

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    Saw a few groups a year brought in when I was working at the Academy such as the FBI Explorers (sorta like LE Boy/Girl Scouts) but we do still have family day events here in the NY office. Usually in conjunction with a military range.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    I've followed this thread for a spot, and I have to say it. I just have to challenge the basis of the source (not having to do with the rifles).
    Too dang painful. Let me get this straight:

    You're a LEO, you're a fed, probably Bureau, as in FBI. You admit carrying a non-issued/non-POW firearm to and from "duty" work. So this personally-owed non-approved weapon is kinda always in the trunk of your bucar. A rifle. Are you kidding? Not right. If you don't drive a bucar and it's in your POV to/from work (meaning you're not an agent) is, again, not right. That's some crazy.

    You say you shoot 500-600 rds typical training day. Whether that's handgun or rifle didn't say.This is at a typical shoot for the bureau? Not right, unless you're swat. But then if you're swat (or even a field agent) you wouldn't be on a forum like this asking the members these things or saying these things but you could just talk to your principle firearms instructor, or just call the ssa at FTU about RRA. "That's some crazy."

    You rarely see agents with their rifles because you say most have little or no use in their day-to-day; well that's because they either have them kinda sorta always stored in their trunks for which they wont be carrying them into the office, or they bring them out from home only for those choice arrest/dicey surv days only. More crazy basis.

    You actually wonder if you might be able to do anything with the rifle when issued, like change things (i.e. bolt, parts, etc.). Are you serious? They gave you back your glock grip plug and you knew it's an "alteration." Do you not know everything is standardized, especially for rifles, for better or worse, and any alteration would potentially involve personal liability for any issue, much less this issue to do with a policy violation? You never got "that" briefing at Quantico? Or from your firearms instructors? Crazee.

    I really don't get these posts. If you're an agent I hope you're utterly new in which perhaps the hyperbole and ill-judgement "might" be excusable. I suspect you're a poser (or other type of fed employee) with a little inside knowledge and seeking to keep moving the thread for purposes of illustrating certain knowledge. But better you read silently to answer any of your questions rather than publicize your issues and highlight ..er .. the plain crazy. Please stop being "that" guy.
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    Oh my! Insert popcorn smiley here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrrgcy View Post
    I've followed this thread for a spot, and I have to say it. I just have to challenge the basis of the source (not having to do with the rifles).
    Too dang painful. Let me get this straight:

    You're a LEO, you're a fed, probably Bureau, as in FBI. You admit carrying a non-issued/non-POW firearm to and from "duty" work. So this personally-owed non-approved weapon is kinda always in the trunk of your bucar. A rifle. Are you kidding? Not right. If you don't drive a bucar and it's in your POV to/from work (meaning you're not an agent) is, again, not right. That's some crazy.

    You say you shoot 500-600 rds typical training day. Whether that's handgun or rifle didn't say.This is at a typical shoot for the bureau? Not right, unless you're swat. But then if you're swat (or even a field agent) you wouldn't be on a forum like this asking the members these things or saying these things but you could just talk to your principle firearms instructor, or just call the ssa at FTU about RRA. "That's some crazy."

    You rarely see agents with their rifles because you say most have little or no use in their day-to-day; well that's because they either have them kinda sorta always stored in their trunks for which they wont be carrying them into the office, or they bring them out from home only for those choice arrest/dicey surv days only. More crazy basis.

    You actually wonder if you might be able to do anything with the rifle when issued, like change things (i.e. bolt, parts, etc.). Are you serious? They gave you back your glock grip plug and you knew it's an "alteration." Do you not know everything is standardized, especially for rifles, for better or worse, and any alteration would potentially involve personal liability for any issue, much less this issue to do with a policy violation? You never got "that" briefing at Quantico? Or from your firearms instructors? Crazee.

    I really don't get these posts. If you're an agent I hope you're utterly new in which perhaps the hyperbole and ill-judgement "might" be excusable. I suspect you're a poser (or other type of fed employee) with a little inside knowledge and seeking to keep moving the thread for purposes of illustrating certain knowledge. But better you read silently to answer any of your questions rather than publicize your issues and highlight ..er .. the plain crazy. Please stop being "that" guy.
    Because I don't see the harm an because you really put some though into this: I am with the Bureau's uniformed division. We are sort of the bastard step child as the agency is most assuredly agent focused.
    We are authorized to carry our duty weapon and/or a personal weapon off duty. Because of the nature of attacks on law enforcement and the beauty of mob mentality, I do carry a personally owned rifle when I feel the situation warrants it. It's in a backpack and never leaves my person except next to me when I'm driving or in my locker at work. I decided a while back I was never, EVER going to be that person who was there for the (insert insane active killer-type event of your choice here) and not be able to address it.
    We do not get a lot of info at my end of the hierarchy and I have not been to the academy since it came down that we were getting the ARs. I will most certainly make a point to stop in the armory the next time I'm down there so if you have any particular questions you'd like answered, I'll do my best to add them to mine.
    So, I do like your thought process and looking back, the posts do lend themselves to some questioning. Kudos for that. Not sure where you're located but a week before you are going to be in Manhattan, shoot me a pm with your info and, depending on your background, I'd be happy to give you the fifty cent tour of the FBI office.

    Edit to add: I knew we wouldn't be allowed to do anything to the rifles but I had really hoped that someone knew, or cared, at least as much as the more knowledgeable folks here and would have done them up properly before they hit our office. I was wrong, but that didn't stop me from hoping.
    Sorry, another edit. I do get out with SWAT when they are doing flat range work and have shot 500+ rounds through the AR and pistol with them and during firearm instructor school and officer survival school (pistol only) at West Point with our firearms unit there.
    Last edited by rocsteady; 12-17-14 at 10:15.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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