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Thread: Out with the MP5s and in with the...Rock River M4?

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    No trouble, all explained. That's understood and understandable. Be safe; the rifle issued to you w/ its rail, its forend, its sight, will be perfectly fine as-is and go bang when where you want. My two cents worth little - Make the new one 2nd nature. Practice practice, hold hold, move move, aim aim, repeat often. No difference in use-terms from your other, just keep handling that rifle more and more and then more to make it become 2nd nature or a tool like any other without thought. Good luck.

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    So we finally got coordinated between our range and our officers' schedules. Unit qualified on the AR-15s as of yesterday. Surprisingly, supervisors took my suggestion and we have VTAC 2 point slings for them. I just didn't want to end up with the three point ones like we had on the outgoing MP5.

    As expected, almost to a person, everyone feels it is a big step up from the MP5. Interesting to see officers who were not happy to say goodbye to the MP5 gushing about how easy the AR was to qualify with and put rounds on target from any position. Did have a couple malfunctions though, failure to eject several times, but it was one particular gun and the same officer. I didn't see if it was same magazine or not.

    All in all, a good "roll out" I suppose.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    Just as a follow up, Bureau is making wholesale changes to their agent issued M4s. Uppers are being replaced with Colt units that have 11.5" (I believe) barrels, Troy alpha rails along with Magpul CTR stocks. Also the upper is shipped with an Aimpoint T2 (replacing their Eotechs) that sits on a Daniel Defense mount. VTAC 2 point slings are common but have seen some others depending on personal preference. Seems to be a very nice shooting, very light setup. Saw it in action first time this week during some range time with the NY office SWAT team.

    As an aside they have also introduced a POW (personally owned weapon) AR that is a Colt LE6920, 16" barrel, Troy alpha rails with the allowed accessory list including a Troy lopro QD swivel mount, an inforce white/IR wml, VTAC sling, Magpul CTR stock, Hogue pistol grip and the Aimpoint H1, H2, T1 or T2 and DD mount. Designated the LE6920-FBP1. So side-by-side, it looks like the big brother of the Agent issued SBR. Or would that make it the "little" brother?

    I'll post pics when mine arrives. My understanding is it goes from Colt to the armorers at Quantico and then to your field office's range as you must qualify with it before you can take possession. Armorers have to install the grip and the swivel mount and the user, with area's firearms instructor supervision, installs anything else.

    ETA: also allowed Troy "squid grips" and Mako PTK, a rather unwieldy looking AFG.
    Last edited by rocsteady; 01-09-16 at 08:54. Reason: More info
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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    Good stuff for the most part.


    I wish my agency had personally owned weapons program.. we can't even swap grip panels on our service pistols ourselves... But get KAC SBRs so maybe it's a wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Good stuff for the most part.


    I wish my agency had personally owned weapons program.. we can't even swap grip panels on our service pistols ourselves... But get KAC SBRs so maybe it's a wash.

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    I was praying the POW was gonna be the SBR but didn't happen. Anyway, KAC SBR ought to ease your pain.
    "Why "zombies"? Because calling it 'training to stop a rioting, starving, panicking, desperate mob after a complete governmental financial collapse apocalypse' is just too wordy." or in light of current events: "training to stop a rioting, looting, molotov cocktail throwing, skinny jeans wearing, uneducated bunch of lemmings duped by, or working directly for, a marxist organization attempting to tear down America while hiding behind a race-based name"

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