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    20" ARs

    Does anyone miss the simplicity of the classic 20" barreled ARs? All you seem to see anymore are carbines and I guess I'm just wanting to be different and a little nostalgic too.
    I'm looking for a nice M16A4 style rifle, no heavy barrel. I want 1/7 twist too. When I was looking at carbines I had it narrowed down to Colt or LMT.
    I plan on keeping it simple, putting on a rail and either a scope or Aimpoint in the future. This will be a SHTF/plinking rifle.
    Any recommendations? Thanks!

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    I wanted the better accuracy and comfort of a 20", so I just ordered a full rifle. I've never used a full size, so I'm looking forward to it.

    I'm not sure what it is with everyone and their carbines. Nice to have one, but I definitely want a full size for the range.

    So...whatcha gettin', exactly? You looking for a classic looking one, or a tacticool rifle? Doesn't seem like "simple" goes with "rail, aimpoint, etc."

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    I don't want a Bushmaster, but they do make one in the configuration I want.
    When I first went in the ARMY in '92 I used a Colt A1 in basic, a Colt A2 on active duty, back to a Colt A1 when I first went in the Guard in '95 and a year later new FN A2s, and finally an M9 when I became a medic in '02. I was never issued an M4 but I've owned plenty of carbines. Fullsize ARs are what I'm mostly use to and thats what I want at this time. But who makes a decent one a civilian can buy?
    FWIW, at my current job with the Feds we have Colt and H&R M16A1s and Colt M16A2s and carbines (they are marked M16A2 Carbine with M4 barrels but A1 uppers), and Colt 9mm SMGs.
    I'd love a Colt or FN but they don't make civi versions of the one I want.

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    The 20" rifle is my favorite. I intend to build another one soon myself. If you want a complete factory rifle of good quality, here are some options:

    http://www.sabredefence.com/commercial.php

    http://www.charlesdalydefense.com/firearms.asp
    http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/se.../Detail?no=286

    http://www.afmfirearms.com/p-524-am15-a3-rifle.aspx

    http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...159759&cat=32&

    You may find it a challenge to locate a manufacturer that offers a TDP spec 20" though. Most seem to have 1/9 twist barrels and various other compromises. Sabre and CMMG are the only manufacturers that I could find offering a 1/7. If you can live with a heavy profile 1/9 twist, AFM seems to follow the TDP pretty close with MPI'd 4150 CMV barrel, MPI'd bolt, CMT LPK and proper staking throughout. They could probably source you a gov. profile 1/7 barrel if you ask. Also, they offer the best quality kits I have found if you have your own lower and want to save the 11% excise tax. They'll also assemble it for free for you. AFM is not very well known, as they are fairly new and don't advertise.
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    I've always like 20" AR15's.

    Sure they have fallen out of flavor with the cool kids, but they are kick ass fun to shoot.

    I have a SAM-R or SDM build lingering in my future.
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    I just finnished a M16A4 clone. It's not perfect and I haven't tested it enough, but it has won my heart over my other carbines!

    I went with a Bushmaster Gov. Profile Barrel (1 in 9 twist) for the upper, Bushmaster A2 lower and a LMT bolt and carrier.

    IMHO a 20" AR does a lot of things better than a carbine. It's extra size is a downfall, but I'm willing to work with that.

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    i think A4's are cool... the C7A2 from colt canada is a neat variant too with the collapsible stock...
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    Thanks for the tips guys, I have some more researchin' to do now.

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    You will have an extremely hard time finding the correct barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    You will have an extremely hard time finding the correct barrel.
    The correct barrel for what? The OP wants a 1/7 Gov't profile barrel. That's extremely easy to find.

    I assume you mean the "correct barrel" for an M16A4. Don't know 'bout that.

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