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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    OK, it was decided....or not......

    I don't want to look stupid for including a totally unnecessary feature...

    although that can be said about including them in a semi-auto carbine.

    We include them in the carbine because consumers want them, or think they need them. The same reasoning could apply to the rifle. Unnecessary, but consumers may want them, or think they need them... and buy the CD over a competitor because it has them.... or buy a competitor's over a CD because only a fool would put them in a rifle...so what other foolish things did CD include?

    Ahhhhh, the ramblings of a producer with BRD...

    They do not add that much to the production cost...

    Just my opinion, but M4 ramps will do nothing to hurt function and may help if your using worn out mags. M4 ramps aren't a deal breaker for me, but given the decision between the 2, I'll always take the ramps. While I'm at it, get those lightweight middies out so I can buy 1.

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    Just finished

    Converted a Colt HBAR: 20" FN gov't profile barrel, Colt receiver with rifle feedramps and LMT BCG.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    OK, it was decided....or not......

    I don't want to look stupid for including a totally unnecessary feature...

    although that can be said about including them in a semi-auto carbine.

    We include them in the carbine because consumers want them, or think they need them. The same reasoning could apply to the rifle. Unnecessary, but consumers may want them, or think they need them... and buy the CD over a competitor because it has them.... or buy a competitor's over a CD because only a fool would put them in a rifle...so what other foolish things did CD include?

    Ahhhhh, the ramblings of a producer with BRD...

    They do not add that much to the production cost...


    Any deviation on the ramps from the USGI pattern for your 20" rifle will lose a sale from me and any other serious user.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Any deviation on the ramps from the USGI pattern for your 20" rifle will lose a sale from me and any other serious user.
    Jerk. J/K

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Any deviation on the ramps from the USGI pattern for your 20" rifle will lose a sale from me and any other serious user.
    If we offer it with the KAC M5 rails as an option, are you a buyer with the rails or without. Figure it would add around $150 for the rails installed with 4 panels. No VFG or extra panesl; just the rail and the 4 panels.

    What say you?

    And we really lose a sale if we put in the feedramps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Any deviation on the ramps from the USGI pattern for your 20" rifle will lose a sale from me and any other serious user.
    Does that mean you would actually buy something other than a Colt?


    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    And we really lose a sale if we put in the feedramps?
    My opinion - if you are going to build a clone, build a clone. Don't "improve" it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    Does that mean you would actually buy something other than a Colt?

    I already own stuff other than Colt.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Daly View Post
    If we offer it with the KAC M5 rails as an option, are you a buyer with the rails or without. Figure it would add around $150 for the rails installed with 4 panels. No VFG or extra panesl; just the rail and the 4 panels.

    What say you?
    If it has the RAS, yes.

    If it had regular handguards, yes.

    If it had another rail, yes, and I would switch it myself for a RAS or regular handguards.


    And we really lose a sale if we put in the feedramps?
    I just don't like manufactures going out of their way to deviate from the GI pattern. Why go to all the trouble to have the proper barrel steel, F FSB, etc and not do this correctly?

    Also, the barrel profile should not deviate from USGI.

    There have been 3 or 4 recent manufactures before you all fail at getting all of this correct.

    Sabre is the only other maker that makes a true USGI M4 barrel with respect to all features.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

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    Please make an nice proper spec a4 upper, I am in the process of building up a spr/dmr rifle and would love to be able to get a factory built upper with all the correct specs for a good price.

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    Once you nail the current USGI down, I would definitely be interested in a 20 with the standard (lightweight) profile.

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