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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron S. View Post
    If you've got an A2 stock, put a counterweight in there. That's what they're for.
    I'm running an A1 stock because it isn't as long...

    Also, in a couple classes I took I found that I shoot lighter rifles better (tricked out M4 style versus bare-bones AK74).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    I didn't say that I didn't like them.

    However, they don't give you anything that a 16" middy doesn't, so that's why I wanted to understand the interest. If you say, "because I like them" or "because they're cool" those are indeed acceptable answers.
    I miss the 20" barrel for various reasons:

    1. They are cool

    2. I like them

    3. I believe they are a little more reliable than the carbines. Also, more accurate and offer improved performance...maybe not that much but somewhat better in any case.

    4. Everybody and their sister have carbines and I would like something different.

    5. I am not a tactical guy, nor do I play one on TV.

    6. I do not like middies

    7. I want something I can keep light and simple (yes the 6520 is light and simple too...and very sweet)

    8. I do not clear buildings or rooms for a living, nor do I expect to have to do this any time soon....so compactness does not really make much of a difference to me

    9. Full size rifles feel better to me

    10. I can use a bayonet on a 20" barrel and not that much with a 16" barrel unless I haveone of those middies which I do not like to begin with.

    With that said, I will concede that there are some advantages to the carbine just not for what I need it. Regardless I will probbaly end up with a carbine as well at some point

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    The M16A2 and M16A4 don't use the same barrel.
    You mean FSB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by platypusREX View Post
    You mean FSB.
    since they use a different FSB I think the m16a2 and a4 barrel assemblies have2 different NSNs

    I guess this is what Scottryan meant
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    Well I like 16" and 20" myself.. My next rifle will be a 20" but I do like my 16" its an Armalite Middy.. I find it to be the best gas system, its very smooth.. I will prolly get a Armalite 20" and put a the EOTech 557.4X MPO Multi Purpose Optic Holographic System.. I like fast short to long range shooting so this will be very good for that or I might put Another TA31F like I have on my Armalite Middy 16"HBAR.. I find the ACOG to the the fastest Optic for all around use.. But I know I will be getting a 20" as my next if not a 16" I never shoot past 600 yards so a 16" is good for me but still I know a 20" will help some at any range..

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcibes View Post
    I miss the 20" barrel for various reasons:

    1. They are cool

    2. I like them

    3. I believe they are a little more reliable than the carbines. Also, more accurate and offer improved performance...maybe not that much but somewhat better in any case.

    4. Everybody and their sister have carbines and I would like something different.

    5. I am not a tactical guy, nor do I play one on TV.

    6. I do not like middies

    7. I want something I can keep light and simple (yes the 6520 is light and simple too...and very sweet)

    8. I do not clear buildings or rooms for a living, nor do I expect to have to do this any time soon....so compactness does not really make much of a difference to me

    9. Full size rifles feel better to me

    10. I can use a bayonet on a 20" barrel and not that much with a 16" barrel unless I haveone of those middies which I do not like to begin with.

    With that said, I will concede that there are some advantages to the carbine just not for what I need it. Regardless I will probbaly end up with a carbine as well at some point

    I am seriously thinking of getting a 20" AR instead of a carbine for many of the same reasons listed above. I know I'll most likely be getting both a rifle and carbine eventually, but I'm thinking the 20" rifle may actually suit my current needs better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathellsk View Post
    Does anyone miss the simplicity of the classic 20" barreled ARs? All you seem to see anymore are carbines and I guess I'm just wanting to be different and a little nostalgic too.
    I'm looking for a nice M16A4 style rifle, no heavy barrel. I want 1/7 twist too. When I was looking at carbines I had it narrowed down to Colt or LMT.
    I plan on keeping it simple, putting on a rail and either a scope or Aimpoint in the future. This will be a SHTF/plinking rifle.
    Any recommendations? Thanks!
    I think the M4 Carbine setup was developed in response to different combat/application situations. Much easier to manuver with a carbine and collapsed stock in a squad car, then a full size. The shooting patterns are also changing. Many departments really stress "cutting the pie" when taking corners, and those extra inches out front make a convenient hand hold for someone to grab the firearm. The M4 is also easier to use in tanks, and when going in with parachutes. Yes you sacrifice a bit of accuracy; for nearly all urban settings now, the planned range is within 150 yards. In that distance, the accurracy difference isn't significant enough to matter. You will still find a couple of the platforms in the departments with the 20" barrels, for those situations demanding higher accurracy at longer distances.

    i'm compromising and going with the 16" barrel and adjustable stock.
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    Barrel length doesn't have anything to do with accuracy, that's a fallacy. To steal a quote from someone. "Intrinsic accuracy is a matter of quality, not length."

    In the AR platform barrel length affects sight radius, velocity and thus effective range.

    I would like to see someone offer a nice 20in 1/7 twist milspec barrel with an A2 upper. I'd like to replace my old Colt AR-15A2 I sold off in the mid 90's for some unknown reason.

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    [QUOTE=joe_sun;187541]Barrel length doesn't have anything to do with accuracy, that's a fallacy. To steal a quote from someone. "Intrinsic accuracy is a matter of quality, not length." QUOTE]

    Well it can in alot of many ways.. Even as simple as somthing like having a 4" barrel on a pistol then moving to a 7" barrel.. you will notice a difference in ease of aiming.. Accurcacy is not all about the gun it is about the shooter to.. It affects the range most but there are other things it will affect to.. I use a 16" non match HBAR and I get under 1" groups at 100 yards with my Armalite Middy.. That is on my good days and when I am using good ammo.. I pull off 1" group's 80% of the time with UltraMax 62gr or Prvi 62gr FMJ but I found that Prvi 75gr BTHP Match ammo will give me my best groups along with 69gr BTHP Match.. But They rounds just cost to much so I stick with UltraMax 62gr most of the time.. 1"-1.5" groups are good enuff for me.. and I found out of all the barrel lenths I like a soild 16" the best.. Perfect for 600 yards with 62gr and if you put some good match ammo in it you can get it out to 800+ with ease.. 14.5" Barrels are nice if you are going to be doing alot of close range stuff and never need to pass 600yds.. and a 20" would be good for doing alot of shooting past 400 yards.. a 24 is best for 800-1200 yds.. But the avg shooter will pretty much be around 25 yards to 600 yards with an AR.. so I find the best for the avg shooter is a 16".. and it can be about luck I never would have thot my Armalite would shoot sub moa with match ammo and it being a 1/9 twist.. some people will say you need a 1/8 for 73gr+ but I shoot 75gr best with my 1/9.. It is pretty much due to the fact some 1/9 barrels are closer to 1/8 and some are closer to 1/10.. if you buy a "good" rifle you have a better chance of getting a 1/9 that will shoot heavy rounds but it still is not about that... it is pretty much just luck.. Unless you buy a match rifle/Barrel then you dont know if you will get sub moa.. but it will be around 1" for sure not any higher then 1.5" in most cases..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 762mmFMJ View Post
    I am seriously thinking of getting a 20" AR instead of a carbine for many of the same reasons listed above. I know I'll most likely be getting both a rifle and carbine eventually, but I'm thinking the 20" rifle may actually suit my current needs better.

    A middy gas system is the best you can get besides a piston.. and for that I will be waiting for the ACR.. I have never had any probs Car lenth gas systems give alot of people.. Middy is not that new but it is the newest and I see more and more people going for them..

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