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    Question 20" AR < $1000

    So if I want a complete 20" AR with basic A2 stock and I'd like to keep the price under $1K, what are my best options?

    Checking out various websites, it looks like the CMMG M10, Stag Model 4, Bushmaster Dissipator, Armalite 15A2 Service Model & DPMS Panther Classic fall into my price range.

    Are any of these stand outs (or better off avoided)?

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    I like 20" also. I have a Colt sporter M-16 type as well as a 14.5 M-4. In fact I am now in the initial process of building another 20" but with a twist. I have a Colt barrrel, CMT flat-top upper and BCM BCG as of now. But I want a collapable M-4 type butt stock (as opposed to an A2 full stock). I think that would be cool to do. I want to buy a CD complete lower to finish this project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LH2 View Post
    So if I want a complete 20" AR with basic A2 stock and I'd like to keep the price under $1K, what are my best options?

    Checking out various websites, it looks like the CMMG M10, Stag Model 4, Bushmaster Dissipator, Armalite 15A2 Service Model & DPMS Panther Classic fall into my price range.

    Are any of these stand outs (or better off avoided)?

    Defensive Edge 'SLR15 Classic Rifles' seem to fit the budget, and I have heard great things about Sully-built rifles. They are chrome-lined gov't profile 1/9 barrels.


    I currently have a carbine (6920) and 20" A2 Frankenrifle with a 1/7 gov't profile barrel. I'm still trying to decide if I should spend money on yet another AR-15, and if so, a carbine or a rifle, or if I should worry about learning to shoot those two as well as I possibly can. It's a terrible and expensive hobby we have...

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    Last edited by PALADIN-hgwt; 07-08-09 at 22:49.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Defensive Edge 'SLR15 Classic Rifles' seem to fit the budget, and I have heard great things about Sully-built rifles. They are chrome-lined gov't profile 1/9 barrels.
    Thanks for that info Bob. Looks like Sully's rifles are well regarded even though they're not on the comparison chart.

    I'm trying to figure out what makes up the $200 difference between the Level 1 & Level 2 Classic. Chrome barrel lining, one piece gas ring and black extractor insert seem to be it.

    Isn't a chrome-lined bore primarily to protect from using corrosive ammo, or is there another good reason to want one?

    Do the 16" and 20" Classic both use a middy gas tube?

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    I went with a Sabre Defence XR-15A2. It fit your bill perfectly:

    Chrome-lined 1/9 govt. barrel

    PROPERLY staked gas-key

    CLEAN/CRISP mil-spec trigger (oxy-moron, and yes, it's "heavy", but crisp means more to me than light).

    Cycles Military-classic wolf all day

    Black buffer/5-coil spring extractor

    When I have a good day, Winchester M855 will shoot a hair over 2 MOA at 100 yards off of the arm of a lawn-chair kneeling for 5- shot groups.

    Another impressive thing is that Sabre test-fires all of their rifles:WITHOUT LUBE, for 10-shots. Dunno, I just found that impressive.



    Things I recommend doing/not doing:

    FSC556 comp, it supresses flash better than an A2 hider and does a decent to good job of reducing "up", while slightly reducing "back".

    Enidine Buffer: It made my rifle unreliable when gummy/dirty or using lower-power ammo

    PRI Gas-Buster, yeah, you COULD make your own...or buy one. Either way, it performs EXACTLY as advertised.

    If you go the Sabre Defence route, Robert at www.talonarms.com would be the guy to buy from. He has been nothing but spectacular to deal with in my own experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekatar View Post
    I didn't say that I didn't like them.

    However, they don't give you anything that a 16" middy doesn't, so that's why I wanted to understand the interest. If you say, "because I like them" or "because they're cool" those are indeed acceptable answers.
    I like them because the impingment system is built the way that Eugine Stoner designed it for the large part, and reliability reflects this. I also like the added velocity and sight radius.

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    I like 20" also. I have a Colt sporter M-16 type as well as a 14.5 M-4. In fact I am now in the initial process of building another 20" but with a twist. I have a Colt barrrel, CMT flat-top upper and BCM BCG as of now. But I want a collapable M-4 type butt stock (as opposed to an A2 full stock). I think that would be cool to do. I want to buy a CD complete lower to finish this project.


    Canadians issue a rifle with the colapsible stock like this. I did not like it like that. felt unbalanced

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcibes View Post


    Canadians issue a rifle with the colapsible stock like this. I did not like it like that. felt unbalanced

    Wow, thats it! I was wondering what it would look like and thoughts and comments of one. I can see it possibly being "unbalanced".... Maybe I should do something different? Looks cool though!
    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frens View Post
    since they use a different FSB I think the m16a2 and a4 barrel assemblies have2 different NSNs

    I guess this is what Scottryan meant

    Understood.

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