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    LMT and Black Hills problems

    Well, I was out shooting my new LMT 16 inch M4gery today, and I had a couple of hicups. One is that a couple of rounds did not seem to want to feed correctly on initial chambering, and the other is that I had a couple of light strikes on the primers that did not set them off.

    I was using Black Hills remanufactered 55grn FMJ today (yesterday I ran 40 rds of UMC 55grn FMJ w/o any problems). Anybody else have a similar problem? Or is my rifle just breaking in? I only put 50 rds of Black Hills through it today, and only with those two problems. I was using new 20 rd PMAGS.

    When I got home from the range, I did clean the rifle, and especially the firing pin to ensure that there wasn't any preservative or gunk left over from shipping that I missed the first time I cleaned.


    Other than that, I have had no problems...I still need to get it zerod properly, but today was just a fun shooting day...

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    Thumbs up Black Hills Contact Person

    The person to call at Black Hills is Carl Bullock Customer Service Rep. Phone 605-348-5150

    I am betting he will arange to have you ship whats left of the BH Ammo. back to them for inspection.

    Black Hills will take care of any problems that they cause.

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    Black Hills remanufactured ammo has case lengths that are way out of spec on the LONG side!

    This may be contributing to your problem.

    You typically don't hear of this causing problems though. I bought one box of this stuff years ago, and after seeing how far out of spec the cases were... I won't use it anymore.

    A few weeks ago I checked a buddy's recent production blue box, and it's still the same. I don't know the exact measurement, but it's well outside the max length on a case guage, and it varies.
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    One thing you could try is.... In a safe environment... Chamber a live round or two, and see if they feel like they're sticking inside the chamber.
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    WHOA. Problems with BH's BLUE box? Hell, I've never even heard of problems with RED box remanuf, and ESPECIALLY not heard of any issues with NEW BLUE box!
    Very interested in this. Are you saying the Blue box is way out of spec to this day? What is "spec"??? I mean, what is the LONGEST ANY .223/5.56 round should mic at???

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    You guys work fast...

    You typically don't hear of this causing problems though. I bought one box of this stuff years ago, and after seeing how far out of spec the cases were... I won't use it anymore.

    A few weeks ago I checked a buddy's recent production blue box, and it's still the same. I don't know the exact measurement, but it's well outside the max length on a case guage, and it varies.
    Hmm, that may be the reason. I did bag all of the brass I could recover, so I will save it and measure it with calipers when I get a chance. I'm surprised that it is out of spec as you say...everybody raves about it, it seems like...


    I might just shoot black hills an email once I get some measurements done, and look at some stuff. What length should your typical fired case be?

    Until I get this resolved, I will stick to Remington UMC and other brands.

    WHOA. Problems with BH's BLUE box? Hell, I've never even heard of problems with RED box remanuf, and ESPECIALLY not heard of any issues with NEW BLUE box!
    Very interested in this. Are you saying the Blue box is way out of spec to this day? What is "spec"??? I mean, what is the LONGEST ANY .223/5.56 round should mic at???
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    I thought Black Hills reman was packed in the blue box, and thier new production in the red box...also, they only list .223 55grn FMJ in the reman section...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger29 View Post
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    I thought Black Hills reman was packed in the blue box, and thier new production in the red box

    That is correct.
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    I saw BH Blue Box .223 choke a brand-new LWRC upper at a carbine class that, up to that point, had been running like a top. The cases were sort of dribbling out of the ejection port and the rifle started to short stroke like crazy.

    I'm not a fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avenger29 View Post
    Well, I was out shooting my new LMT 16 inch M4gery today, and I had a couple of hicups. One is that a couple of rounds did not seem to want to feed correctly on initial chambering, and the other is that I had a couple of light strikes on the primers that did not set them off.
    Doesn't impress me as an ammo problem first. LMT isn't one of the usual suspects, either. Any "improvements" or mods to the gun? More info/diagnosis required here.

    Quote Originally Posted by demigod View Post
    Black Hills remanufactured ammo has case lengths that are way out of spec on the LONG side! This may be contributing to your problem. You typically don't hear of this causing problems though. I bought one box of this stuff years ago, and after seeing how far out of spec the cases were... I won't use it anymore. A few weeks ago I checked a buddy's recent production blue box, and it's still the same. I don't know the exact measurement, but it's well outside the max length on a case guage, and it varies.
    Umpteen thousand rounds of reman downrange with nary a problem, with hundreds of thousands in a couple of training venues. Case length does seem to be a non-issue for most.
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    My BH deal

    Quote Originally Posted by caporider View Post
    I saw BH Blue Box .223 choke a brand-new LWRC upper at a carbine class that, up to that point, had been running like a top. The cases were sort of dribbling out of the ejection port and the rifle started to short stroke like crazy.

    I'm not a fan.
    A while back I bought a box of BH Blue Box .223 from my local shop. When inspecting the Ammo. before loading some Mags. I noticed some cases were Fiocchi the rest were something else. I called BH and they sent me a shipping lable to return the box of mixed cased Ammo.

    They said the inspector missed the Fiocchi cases being mixed but it was all good reloaded Ammo. this in a phone call from their CS Rep. They sent me back two boxs of Ammo. for my trouble.

    I just wanted to know if what I had was really good to shoot.

    They did take care of my question and I have not had any problems shooting some of their Blue Box Ammo.

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