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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    Used to use Froglube. Gummed up in the cold. Insert mag, bolt release, nothing moved. Happened two separate times. Will never use again. Hype over with. It did run fine in the heat, but of course it did.

    For anyone claiming that this must be "too much" lube (it wasn't) or it wasn't "properly heat treat applied" (it wasn't because that's stupid), I should be able to negligently dump as much oil/lube/water/clp/whatever as I like of it out on the open bolt and let it sit outside and have it immediately start running.
    I actually applied exactly per the instructions. Initial application was on 4 AR's with the little tubes of paste. Ran fine for a while. I eventually added more lube, using the liquid like I normally would apply any other oil. Wet, but not dripping wet. Then I noticed a grit was forming in the guns, like sand. This was over the course of last summer, 2013. Liquid was reapplied periodically and they were cleaned a few times in between. Sometime in late Summer or early Fall, the guns got put away for a few weeks and I didn't shoot them. (probably around the beginning of hunting season). The next time I went shooting, one of the guns began short stroking. That night, I pulled the BCG to find that the FL was tacky, like old burnt cooking grease in a cast iron skillet. When I checked the rest of the guns, they were all in the same condition. Some of those guns had seen alot of rounds, but a couple saw less than 100 each. ALL had the same tacky, sticky FL residue. I stripped the malfunctioning gun of all FL, reapplied weaponshield, which was a known good, and the gun went back to 100% functionality. And that was the end of my FL experiment.

    Like Noodles, I don't have time for lube that is more finicky than a teenage girl. Saying that someone applied too much lube or screwed up the application "process" is ridiculous. A good lubricant should not require that kind of effort, nor should it create a potential failure point. It should be simple, add lube = gun works.

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    After seeing it turn into goo similar to pine pitch in my guns while stored in the safe, I dumped Frog Lube like a hot rock. It works nicely enough as a post parkerizing steel conditioner, but I'll never use it again as a weapon lube. Too many options that work out there to bother with it.
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    I used it in Nam and we lost the war. There were babies running in the streets with froglube burns and everything. I'll never use it again!!
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    OH BOY, ANOTHER LUBE THREAD! And this one with a noob!

    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    I actually applied exactly per the instructions. Initial application was on 4 AR's with the little tubes of paste. Ran fine for a while. I eventually added more lube, using the liquid like I normally would apply any other oil. Wet, but not dripping wet. Then I noticed a grit was forming in the guns, like sand. This was over the course of last summer, 2013. Liquid was reapplied periodically and they were cleaned a few times in between. Sometime in late Summer or early Fall, the guns got put away for a few weeks and I didn't shoot them. (probably around the beginning of hunting season). The next time I went shooting, one of the guns began short stroking. That night, I pulled the BCG to find that the FL was tacky, like old burnt cooking grease in a cast iron skillet. When I checked the rest of the guns, they were all in the same condition. Some of those guns had seen alot of rounds, but a couple saw less than 100 each. ALL had the same tacky, sticky FL residue. I stripped the malfunctioning gun of all FL, reapplied weaponshield, which was a known good, and the gun went back to 100% functionality. And that was the end of my FL experiment.
    I've had mostly good experience with FL but have also had the experience described above - after a while in storage it becomes tacky or gummy and things don't work so well. Also my bitter cold weather experience suggested it was dragging on things. On the plus side it is very pleasant to use, works awesome in mild to warm weather when it's not too old (up to several months since application) and makes cleanup a breeze. I continue to use FL on my gamer-focused rifles, but have switched to Weaponshield on my other rifles. WS is also very slick (much slicker after a day or two of bonding to the metal than immediately when it's applied, by the way), does a decent but not as good job with carbon fouling, and stays an oil under all conditions and ages I've tried so far. My second choice after that would be SLIP2000, which seems to work about the same (though I believe it's totally different chemistry than WS).

    At the end of the day, a quality rifle, kept reasonably clean and lubed with anything slippery, and broken in with some round count, is going to be more reliable than a piece of junk using any miracle lube you can name. Many of us obsess about lubes but it really is not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy View Post
    At the end of the day, a quality rifle, kept reasonably clean and lubed with anything slippery, and broken in with some round count, is going to be more reliable than a piece of junk using any miracle lube you can name. Many of us obsess about lubes but it really is not worth it.
    Which is all and good, but when you have a lube that under some conditions will literally lock your gun up to be temporarily-unusable, that's not a preference-thing. That's a oh-hell-****ing-no-thing. So I agree, that use a good lube and forget about it. My concern is that FL is not a good lube for cold weather or long storage.

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    Iv always wanted to try the stuff but I just cant hand over the money for it. same thing goes with the Gunzilla. I don't have anything against anyone using it. I just wont.

    I just have a hard time justifying the $$ for most of the super duper awesome gun oils and greases......yada yada. I completely understand and don't think it is junk. to each his own. I save my money and clean with DIY ED's Red, grease with Super high temp synthetic automotive grease and oil with my own concoction of oils. I made half a gallon of ED's Red for something like 7$ a year ago in it is finally time to make it again. my oil cost me something like $20-25 a gallon.

    keep them wet and it will go bang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    Which is all and good, but when you have a lube that under some conditions will literally lock your gun up to be temporarily-unusable, that's not a preference-thing. That's a oh-hell-****ing-no-thing. So I agree, that use a good lube and forget about it. My concern is that FL is not a good lube for cold weather or long storage.
    Let us know if you follow the FL directions and try again in the cold, would you?

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    I haven't had any issues with FL yet. I mostly use the grease which seems to work. I have not put it through any 'extreme' tests other than some high round count classes in hot, dusty conditions. I did use it in the snow once, but it was only in the upper 20's; which for some is called 'Springtime'.

    Whatever it's failings, I prefer FL for running a suppressor. When FL cooks off it does not give off a noxious smell. I can barely shoot my ARs suppressed with standard lube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp View Post
    Let us know if you follow the FL directions and try again in the cold, would you?
    You know... For a group of people who push against various things because of "when the SHTF" or "you'll revert to your training" or "that gas block could loosen up if not pinned" or "if it's not TDP it'll get you killed" or whatever flavor of the week hate is all about.

    Some are remarkably tolerant to put up with finicky lube that you apparently can't just use out of the bottle, and it's "process"... Even when those processes talk about things like "filling microscopic cracks and pores in the metal" are clearly bullshit. I suppose when a couple of the people driving the direction of the commentary are also some of the same people selling this stuff you might expect that.

    But..... what do I know!? Aside from my first hand experiences with it of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    You know... For a group of people who push against various things because of "when the SHTF" or "you'll revert to your training" or "that gas block could loosen up if not pinned" or "if it's not TDP it'll get you killed" or whatever flavor of the week hate is all about.

    Some are remarkably tolerant to put up with finicky lube that you apparently can't just use out of the bottle, and it's "process"... Even when those processes talk about things like "filling microscopic cracks and pores in the metal" are clearly bullshit. I suppose when a couple of the people driving the direction of the commentary are also some of the same people selling this stuff you might expect that.

    But..... what do I know!? Aside from my first hand experiences with it of course.
    I still don't understand what there is to gain by intentionally ignoring the manufacturer's instructions and then bitching when it doesn't work.

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