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Thread: The Destruction of AAC from within.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsilvers View Post
    Mike Smith. You know, the guy who designed most of the silencers. He is there.

    And I think I count, having designed the Blackout rifles, the patent for about four of the silencers, the Blackout flash suppressor, the BrakeOut 2, and some products coming out next year.

    Both of us were there before the guys who left.
    I only figured you didn't count as you often write that you work R&D for Rem, not mentioning AAC in years that I've seen. It was only a distinction that I've seen you make, probably because you must be bigger picture than just AAC. I wish you luck, and I expect with the proper motivation, the resources are there to make something unique and innovative.

    It currently appears that AAC's focus will be like Rem Defense's, mediocre or cost cut products to civilians and holding the cooler stuff for military. I'm not sure that model goes along with the reason people liked AAC-previous.


    Either way... My speculations aside... AAC is no longer the same company it was. You might argue it's better and that you have more resources, that great things are coming. But that fun company with the top of the line civilian products, the tatoo campaign, the forum, Kevin, Mers, Hollister as public faces, SHOT sweaters, great promo material (where is the latest Make Love Loudly, Make War Silently?), all the things people who bought AAC silencers liked the company for, are gone.

    Maybe that's to make way for bigger and better... But delaying the Ranger3 for YEARS, before finally dropping it, no 762 Hunter model, no availability besides maybe one batch of products like the 5/8x24tpi 300-TM, etc etc. You've have great success with the 300blk and AAC, but it is clearly not the same company just moved to Al. It's been refocused and in that, it's lost some appeal. That must be visible to you, right?

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    Why focus and lament on dropping the Ranger3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsilvers View Post
    Why focus and lament on dropping the Ranger3?
    That's the one can I wanted from AAC

    Edit: But it was more commentary that the product like has become stagnant and the "unreleased" products are stacking up. The SR5/7 took a long long time to come out, and now that the have (have they?) I haven't seen a single review, comment, or excitment about them. This is coming off the heels of the SDN6 which is probably the most well known 30cal can out there. That 10/22, the Ranger3, the 300-TM in any real numbers, Hunter, Tirant 3lug, these have all been talked about and killed off or generally vaporware. Not that I'm all over their line, but in the same time Silencerco has covered a lot of ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    But it was more commentary that the product like has become stagnant and the "unreleased" products are stacking up. The SR5/7 took a long long time to come out, and now that the have (have they?) I haven't seen a single review, comment, or excitment about them. This is coming off the heels of the SDN6 which is probably the most well known 30cal can out there. That 10/22, the Ranger3, the 300-TM in any real numbers, Hunter, Tirant 3lug, these have all been talked about and killed off or generally vaporware. Not that I'm all over their line, but in the same time Silencerco has covered a lot of ground.
    That's basically the concern - since a decent fraction of the original brain trust is no longer there, the most recent releases have either been delayed enough that market enthusiasm was damped or underwhelming value propositions once delivered, and every other competitor in that market segment seems to have come farther along. At one point AAC was positioned at an enviable mixture of feature set, performance, and value (instead of having just high end overpriced stuff, or simplistic lines of stuff), but it now appears they've being outpaced in everything but value across the board, and are simultaneously shelving value oriented products from the line... which from an external perspective doesn't fit the narrative of 'we have more resources, are expanding, and not going anywhere' - and is more in line with somebody higher up in Cerberus corporate trying to consolidate product lines into profitable and efficient ones in line price wise with Remington/DPMS/Bushmaster/TAPCO products without losing out on potential upside down the road (keeping on R&D staff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehLlama View Post
    That's basically the concern - since a decent fraction of the original brain trust is no longer there, the most recent releases have either been delayed enough that market enthusiasm was damped or underwhelming value propositions once delivered, and every other competitor in that market segment seems to have come farther along. At one point AAC was positioned at an enviable mixture of feature set, performance, and value (instead of having just high end overpriced stuff, or simplistic lines of stuff), but it now appears they've being outpaced in everything but value across the board, and are simultaneously shelving value oriented products from the line... which from an external perspective doesn't fit the narrative of 'we have more resources, are expanding, and not going anywhere' - and is more in line with somebody higher up in Cerberus corporate trying to consolidate product lines into profitable and efficient ones in line price wise with Remington/DPMS/Bushmaster/TAPCO products without losing out on potential upside down the road (keeping on R&D staff).
    Yea, those words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles View Post
    That's the one can I wanted from AAC

    Edit: But it was more commentary that the product like has become stagnant and the "unreleased" products are stacking up. The SR5/7 took a long long time to come out, and now that the have (have they?) I haven't seen a single review, comment, or excitment about them. This is coming off the heels of the SDN6 which is probably the most well known 30cal can out there. That 10/22, the Ranger3, the 300-TM in any real numbers, Hunter, Tirant 3lug, these have all been talked about and killed off or generally vaporware. Not that I'm all over their line, but in the same time Silencerco has covered a lot of ground.
    I'm not nearly as eloquent as those who've posted before me but to add my two cents it's not something that people are missing in the retail world. At SHOT show 2014 I stopped by the AAC booth and was less than thrilled. The same products that were on display were the same ones in the case for sale back home. The only new items were the Ranger 3 that has since been canned, and the SR-7 that in all honesty I'm less than thrilled with. I'm hard pressed to even say the SR7 was hearing safe on a customer's 16" AR when fired with .223 ammo. Everyone wants to see AAC succeed; they were the epitome of the modern company that catered to hip gun owners that knew what quality was. Now if someone comes up and asks for the best multi-caliber/multi-role rifle suppressor, or best pistol caliber suppressor, or best rimfire suppressor, it's difficult to answer AAC in any of those categories.

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    So, it will be at SHOT, but when will it be available to ship?

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    I'm not so certain Illusion is the right name for an AAC can right now.

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