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    I'll keep my Aimpoints and trijicons thanks.


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    Context clue:

    Fixed irons and primary optics aren't mutually exclusive.

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    I've been running an LMT L8N rear folder. So far, so good - it seems like a great sight for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    Context clue:

    Fixed irons and primary optics aren't mutually exclusive.
    You said everything else is pissing up a rope. I'm not buying 45 offsets. I have yet to see anything else but flip ups work under a magnified optic.


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    I've been happy with Troy fixed.

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    FSB disappears under magnification. Non-issue.

    Fixed rear w/ mag optics? Different story.

    OP wants dedicated irons. Go with what works; fixed. Won't cause an issue down the road with RDS, and the rear can be swapped for any magnified optic.

    Quote Originally Posted by tylerw02 View Post
    You said everything else is pissing up a rope. I'm not buying 45 offsets. I have yet to see anything else but flip ups work under a magnified optic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlander Systems View Post
    FSB disappears under magnification. Non-issue.

    Fixed rear w/ mag optics? Different story.

    OP wants dedicated irons. Go with what works; fixed. Won't cause an issue down the road with RDS, and the rear can be swapped for any magnified optic.

    You're the one that said it. Maybe try to be more clear. Sounds like his problem is solved. He can shoot as far as desired with the folder and can use that money toward his optic.


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    Thanks all for the input, a lot of advice to hash over here. Im thinking of going trijicon or aimpoint when I do make a decision. Would I be better off to remove the front sight and put a rail on the rifle with a mbus front? Or just run a rds with the fsb and cowitness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GH41 View Post
    I should have been more clear. I wouldn't buy a rifled with a FSB if I thought I would ever want to put scope of any kind on it. Why would you? Why would you give up any of your FOV? With a dot sight used properly with both eyes open the front sight isn't there. You should be able to run a dot with the front cap closed. It's when you start aiming it with your weak eye closed you see the front sight. Same with a magnified optic. At higher power you may not see the ghost of the FSB but it is still there and you cannot see through it. People do it all the time but that doesn't mean it works for me. Why do you think folding BUIS are so popular?
    Ask Pat Rogers. Or Paul Howe. Or Larry Vickers.

    Some of the reasons I've distilled from them:

    -It doesn't give up a meaningful portion of your FOV - your eye pro probably hides more of your FOV than a fixed front sight.
    -It is more rugged than a folding sight... which is useful if you have to go hands on with somebody.
    -It is always up. If your RDS goes down, use it as a gross aperture rear sight and plug away until you get the opportunity to pull off the RDS and flip up the rear. Or you can pull off your magnified optic and use the front sight like the bead on a shotgun until you get the opportunity to flip-up your rear sight. (Of course, off-sets completely avoid this issue... and create issues of their own.) I don't know if EAG Tactical does this any more, but they used to make everybody keep their front sights up, whether they folded or not. And the most rugged folding sights will fold down if they bump into anything (part of how they get their durability), which makes it difficult to use the front sight as prescribed.

    In any case, there is no panacea: You pay for what you get and you get what you pay for, as they say. Benefits and drawbacks to everything.

    Why a folding front sight? For me, it boils down to running a low-powered variable. At 1-power, I can see the front sight perfectly clearly... and cannot make out my etched glass reticle against the FSB. Further, I prefer a long (>10") hand guard on my carbines, which means I cannot run my favorite hand guards (BCM KMRs and Geissele SMRs) with a fixed FSB attached to the barrel - which is how I want my fixed front sights.

    For most folks, I'd guess that it's not because they genuinely need a folding front sight, but because it looks cool. And I'd be lying if I didn't say that I think my carbine looks more cool with a folding front sight on it than it would with a DD or LMT fixed front sight.

    IMHO, a BCM 14.5" light barrel mid-gas gun with 9" KMR, pinned A2X, LMT rear sight (or chopped carry handle), Inforce WML in an HSP Picatinny Thorntail or SureFire in an Arisaka Keymod mount, and an AimPoint ACO, PRO, or Micro in a 1/3-cowitness LaRue, Bobro, or ADM QD mount is pretty much the ideal dedicated house gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by ubet View Post
    Thanks all for the input, a lot of advice to hash over here. Im thinking of going trijicon or aimpoint when I do make a decision. Would I be better off to remove the front sight and put a rail on the rifle with a mbus front? Or just run a rds with the fsb and cowitness?
    Run an RDS with the FSB and go with a 1/3-cowitness on your RDS mount. Best of both worlds, IMHO.
    Last edited by MountainRaven; 12-06-14 at 17:27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ubet View Post
    Thanks all for the input, a lot of advice to hash over here. Im thinking of going trijicon or aimpoint when I do make a decision. Would I be better off to remove the front sight and put a rail on the rifle with a mbus front? Or just run a rds with the fsb and cowitness?
    I prefer a long hand guard. If you want a rail system you'll need to remove it. I prefer a fixed front usually, but not on magnified 1-4x because it blurs my reticle. At 4x makes no digference. If you frequently shoot 300, Trijicon is the way to go. Up close, Aimpoint.

    ACOGs are fine with a FSB.


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