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    The experience of most here is that a properly built and maintained AR is as reliable as the day is long.

    What was your personal experience with ARs in Iraq?

    Did you experience any malfunctions?

    How was your weapon used and maintained?

    Quote Originally Posted by carpisascout View Post
    Yeah go and ask how many vets have lost buddies because of Gene Stoners design.
    I want what I had in basic but a cleaner one. I know myself how filthy the action gets being deployed twice to Iraq. I don't want a system that will gum up when needed the most. The Gene Stoner design is fine and dandy for killing paper but not in oh sh+t situations.
    I also am not one of those Fobbits who bought a designer diaper for my weapon while in Kuwait.
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    OP, how do you feel about the M14?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpisascout View Post
    Yeah go and ask how many vets have lost buddies because of Gene Stoners design.
    I want what I had in basic but a cleaner one. I know myself how filthy the action gets being deployed twice to Iraq. I don't want a system that will gum up when needed the most. The Gene Stoner design is fine and dandy for killing paper but not in oh sh+t situations.
    I also am not one of those Fobbits who bought a designer diaper for my weapon while in Kuwait.
    When? Vietnam? Currently? Nothing wrong with the design. Poor ammo, poor maintenance, lack of lube, etc are really the culprits for it not running.

    The BEST piston AR ever designed (HK 416) has people that strongly do not like it (.Mil guys). With that said, no retro fitted piston gun is going to be as reliable as a BCM, Colt, etc A4. So if you are not buying a 416, I would say pass on the piston design.



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    Quote Originally Posted by carpisascout View Post
    Yeah go and ask how many vets have lost buddies because of Gene Stoners design.
    I want what I had in basic but a cleaner one. I know myself how filthy the action gets being deployed twice to Iraq. I don't want a system that will gum up when needed the most. The Gene Stoner design is fine and dandy for killing paper but not in oh sh+t situations.
    I also am not one of those Fobbits who bought a designer diaper for my weapon while in Kuwait.
    They probably died because of lax preventative maintenance schedules, poor information and training passed down by ncos, and possibly if you're talking about Vietnam, some brilliant decision to change powder and barrels away from the original stoner design.
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Regarding Vietnam, not only did the initially issued M16s not have the proper (per stoner's design) chrome lined bore and chamber, but the rifles weren't even issued with a cleaning kit. The scuttlebutt was that the rifles were self-cleaning and didn't require regular maintenance/cleaning etc. Amazing that a greater % of the rifles didn't fail with that kind crap floating around.

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    AR is junk. Throw that thing in the trash and get a Mosin. Thats what the troops did in Korea when the piece of crap AR failed them.
    "I pity thou, fools who dost not choose BCM" - King Arthur 517 A.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpisascout View Post
    Yeah go and ask how many vets have lost buddies because of Gene Stoners design.
    I want what I had in basic but a cleaner one. I know myself how filthy the action gets being deployed twice to Iraq. I don't want a system that will gum up when needed the most. The Gene Stoner design is fine and dandy for killing paper but not in oh sh+t situations.
    I also am not one of those Fobbits who bought a designer diaper for my weapon while in Kuwait.
    Andrew can articulate this better than I can.


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    Well this one certainly is dying a slow death....



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    Are not piston systems proprietary systems? I get the feeling reading different read's that some people do not know what it will mean down the road when something breaks. Am I wrong. Vern

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard600 View Post
    AR is junk. Throw that thing in the trash and get a Mosin. Thats what the troops did in Korea when the piece of crap AR failed them.
    ARs were issued during the Vietnam unpleasantness, did not see service in the Korean conflict.

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