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Thread: Colt M4 Carbine's Future Uncertain: Dark Clouds Forming

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    Mr. Crane --

    First, please read the rules. While you may not know who Dano5326 is, he's still an Industry Professional on this board. That means that the folks who run this site know who he is and consider his background and opinion important enough to be covered by Rule 3:

    3) Industry Professional – This forum designates a very choice few members with the title of Industry Professional. These are individuals who have extensive first hand experience with the deployment of small arms, execution of proper tactics, or development of the past or current military weapons platforms. Generally speaking, they are well compensated for the information that they provide; and providing information on a free internet forum is a service to us all. Often in an internet forum other posters may not recognize the individual behind certain screen names or have checked their screen name bio. This title is a helpful tool for a viewer to identify such individuals. You are welcome to disagree with their opinion (debate is one of the best ways to fully understand and exchange information), but please take a moment to recognize where their experience and information comes from.
    As for thekatar, he's a big boy and can respond for himself. Just be smart enough to realize that while you may not know who some of these people are, there are hundreds or even thousands of M4Carbine.net members who do know who they are; have worked, shot, trained, and/or gone nude snowmobiling with them; and, they (we) are given Mod or Staff status for something other than our charming personalities.

    Finally, regarding this:
    Quote Originally Posted by defrev View Post
    I figured I was wasting my time in replying to you. You weren't worth it. You've got an agenda, and that's that.
    People who publish in glass cubicles should not throw stones. I suggest that in the future, you limit your retorts to the valid factual response you gave point for point, rather than taking unnecessary swipes at folks. You were sounding quite professional right up until that point ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by defrev View Post
    Fine Thekatar, but if you're going to take swipes at people or their work, you can at least have the courage to let people know your real name. At least don't be a coward about it.

    I figured I was wasting my time in replying to you. You weren't worth it. You've got an agenda, and that's that.
    TheKatar is entitled to his OPINION of what you write, just like you publish your OPINION on subjects.

    I am not sure what the facination is with peoples names and why you think it is important. All of the mods and IP's on this forum are vetted, honest and trustworthy individuals. Calling these people cowards is not really a good idea.



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    I've spoken with some VERY knowledgeable and respected people on this. Most of them see no reason to replace the M4 with a gas piston/op-rod gun, provided you do a few things to enhance the weapon's reliability, like retrofitting the gun with the following, for example:

    http://www.bhigear.com/index.asp?Pag...OD&ProdID=3250 -- BHI Enhanced M4 SOPMOD Bolt Upgrade Kit

    Mike Pannone, who probably knows more than anyone on this entire board (M4Carbine.net), let alone this thread, about the M4, developed that kit. Mike's retired SF, and is currently an instructor. He is HIGHLY respected in the community.

    According to Mike, that kit (BHI upgrade kit), by itself, will solve most of an M4's reliability problems as soon as it's installed. So, there's a quick, easy, and relatively inexpensive practical solution for ya'. And that's just one thing you can do. That's not all you can do, of course. There are a few more things that can be done to bring the direct-gas-impingement (DGI) M4 into the 21st century, and to its ultimate conclusion. That hasn't been done yet, and that's a fact.

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    Mike Pannone, who probably knows more than anyone on this entire board (M4Carbine.net), let alone this thread, about the M4, developed that kit. Mike's retired SF, and is currently an instructor. He is HIGHLY respected in the community.
    No disrespect to Mr. Pannone intended but you don't have a clue as to who some of those involved with this board are? Do you really think he knows more than say......Larry Vickers? I recommend you check out the training forum.

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    Grant, I don't care who they are, other than wanting to know exactly who is writing those kinds of things on a public board. Listen, you're not really going to defend people who do what Dano5326 and Thekatar have done in this thread--all while hiding anonymouly behind their screen names--are you?

    I mean, do you really think the downright nasty and classless thing Dano5326 wrote, for instance, constitutes acceptable behavior?

    Why are you defending them? Are they friends of yours? If they're not, I don't understand why you'd do that.

    By the way, if they really are "industry professionals", they shouldn't be behaving like that. That's not how honorable and/or courageous people behave, is it?

    At least I come on here as myself. I don't hide. And, I'm just responding to their posts. Let's not forget that I'm simply defending myself and my work and responding to something they started. You can understand that, can't you?

    These two guys have a personal beef, are acting on it, and the M4Carbine.net owners are letting them do it. I don't think it's right, and I think it's (Dano5326 and Thekatar's actions) cowardly and wrong by definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defrev View Post
    Grant, I don't care who they are, other than wanting to know exactly who is writing those kinds of things on a public board. Listen, you're not really going to defend people who do what Dano5326 and Thekatar have done in this thread--all while hiding anonymouly behind their screen names--are you?
    I think everyone is entitled to their opinion (as are you). They do not care for and or believe what you have to say.

    I mean, do you really think the downright nasty and classless thing Dano5326 wrote, for instance, constitutes acceptable behavior?

    Why are you defending them? Are they friends of yours? If they're not, I don't understand why you'd do that.
    IP's (like Dano) tend to be rough around then the edges. Then again, killing for Uncle Sam will do that to you. I do not apologize for their behavior. If you really have an issue with something they have said, e-mail them your home address and maybe they will show up and you can work it out face to face.


    By the way, if they really are "industry professionals", they shouldn't be behaving like that. That's not how honorable and/or courageous people behave, is it?
    IP doesn't mean that they have to be nice to people the do not like. It just means that they are some of the more informed individuals out there. Very few to ANY of the IP's on this forum are what one would call "user friendly." They have either killed, are killing or intend to kill bad people in the name of God and Country. So cut them a little slack.

    At least I come on here as myself. I don't hide. And, I'm just responding to their posts. Let's not forget that I'm simply defending myself and responding to something they started.

    These two guys have a personal beef, are acting on it, and the M4Carbine.net owners are letting them do it. I don't think it's right, and I think it's cowardly and wrong by definition.
    One of the reasons why we get so many real deal shooters on this forum is because they are protected. There is zero need for them to go by their real name. So do not think that they are not using their real name because they are cowards or something.

    I would suggest that you take your personal issues up with them offline and handle it like men.


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    Defrev, you're making no converts. We do things differently here than at some other boards you may be used to.

    Wouldn't mind seeing this thread locked, seeing as how it's gone well beyond facts and logic.
    When life gives you lemons, insert copper and zinc wires in them and repeatedly shock your tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyRoller View Post
    Wouldn't mind seeing this thread locked, seeing as how it's gone well beyond facts and logic.
    and +1

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    Heavy Metal, pullin' out the ace, huh? C'mon man. Look, I know Larry (Vickers), and like him. He's as good as they come, and a true professional. I've particularly enjoyed talking with him at industry events like SHOT. When he speaks, I listen, as should everyone else.

    BTW, even if someone out there were better than Larry (and I doubt it), I would never say it. ;-)

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