i'd say the money spent trying to issue a new rifle would be better spent on upgrading body/vehicle armor.
the M4/16 isn't perfect, but it's a known entity, and it really does have a lot going for it.
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i'd say the money spent trying to issue a new rifle would be better spent on upgrading body/vehicle armor.
the M4/16 isn't perfect, but it's a known entity, and it really does have a lot going for it.
Thekatar, three questions:
1) What's the basis for your statement (above) about DefenseReview?
2) Do you have a specific problem with my article that JSandi reprinted (above)? Do you differ with anything I wrote in it, specifically?
3) Are you one of the owners of M4Carbine.net, or just a moderator?
Assuming full and open competition eventually results, am I to understand that Colt can enter two weapons: both the M4 and any other variant they'd like, or are they limited to just entering the M4? Or does the govt enter the M4 and then vendors enter whatever they want?
If everyone's hellbent on selecting something new just because they believe the M4 is outdated/flawed, then Colt ought to have a shot at that competiton.
Having to turn the TDP over could be a big deal. Even if the govt decides in th end to keep the M4, there's no guarantee Colt will get any follow-on work.
I wonder how much money would be saved if the FOBbits only had pistols to use on a daily basis? Then we could possible afford the "Ueber Weapons". I see soldiers at some of the FOB's who have a weapon simply because the policy says so, and not out of necessity.
It would also be interesting to know how many troops in theater actually use their weapons on a daily basis.
Marine Corps adopting 45 GAP
LeMas blended metal technology bullets
Openly second-guessing DocGKR's knowledge of ballistics
Dragon Skin
My opinion is that your DEFREV site is more of a tactical tabloid than hard news. Some facts in there but a lot of rumor and conjecture.
I have nothing to do with M4C other than I volunteer my time to moderate. My opinions are my own.
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Last edited by Jay Cunningham; 07-15-08 at 10:27.
I guess I only come in contact with the ones that can't shoot.
Given that you have three people, a cop, a soldier, and a regular joe, that all come out to a match or training class, and given that their attendance at same indicates at least a passing interest in firearms, the marksmanship skills I have witnessed would be ranked (and clearly there are always exceptions) as:
1) Regular Joe
2) Soldier
3) Cop
The knowledge base, in terms of what makes the gun work, what keeps it working, what leads to good accuracy, etc. would be ranked as:
1) Regular Joe
2) Cop
3) Soldier
This is not a knock on cops or soldiers. However, from what I have seen, the training necessitated by the bureaucracy of such entities leads to a "do what I say" methodology to training that is not always based in reality or fact but often based on the needs of the bureaucracy, the shear numbers of trainees, and the "teach to the dumbest guy" mentality, more than anything else.
At every single carbine or handgun course I have attended there has been a former (or current) Marine, Soldier, Cop, etc. that is taking commercial training for the first time. And at every single one they have all come to the same conclusion when they're done; "I didn't know what I didn't know".
The truth of the matter is, or at least appears to me to be, that the training available in the commercial market (given that one knows where to look) is vastly superior to that given your average troop. Some, like a former USMC LT Col. and Gunsite instructor, have posted very interesting information that seems to support this on other sites.
and now that this has been totally hijacked...
This isn't to say that I don't want our troops to have the very best option that's available and feasible. It's just to say that, from where I'm sitting (which is comfortably in an office in SE Florida, not in some desert hell-hole), it appears that much of the complaining about lethality of projectiles and reliability of weapons comes from people that simply can't shoot and don't properly maintain their firearms.
I would have been happy to see their office burned to the ground that day. The CEO at SIG got a call from Sauer gleefully blaming him for losing this huge contract that he'd never heard of. He in turn ripped my boss, the VP for Gov/Mil sales, a new hole. My boss in turn called me and read me the riot act for being ignorant of this huge sale. I was at the Crimson Trace Master Trainer Summit at the time, and had to bow out of some of the activities while I gathered "proof" that no such sale occurred.
How anyone even casually familiar with military procurement could believe that a sale like that would be possible without long (and publicly announced) procedures is absolutely beyond me. Even when the big "secret" units buy new pistols, everyone in the industry knows who & what. And hopefully the folks at Defense Review know that the United States Marine Corps is not a small classified unit.![]()
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