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Thread: SIG Brace Declared Illegal to Shoulder By The ATF

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    This is ridiculous.

    Can someone remind me where the Constitution authorizes the federal government to even pick and choose which arms the people can bear in the first place, let alone make up laws that can send a citizen to prison depending on how he/she shoulders a firearm?
    Just checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benito View Post
    This is ridiculous.

    Can someone remind me where the Constitution authorizes the federal government to even pick and choose which arms the people can bear in the first place, let alone make up laws that can send a citizen to prison depending on how he/she shoulders a firearm?
    Just checking.
    Unfortunately the National Firearms Act of 1934 gives law-based regulation to specific items: SBR's, AOW's, suppressors, machineguns, etc. That law would have to be repealed (good luck) to get those things legalized without the jumping-through-hoops process. It is ATF's arbitrary and seesaw rulings that need to be brought into check in absence of repealing NFA '34.

    Any lawsuit brought forth on this brace issue is going to have to be filed in the most gun-friendly federal court possible. For instance anything under the 9th Circus jurisdiction is a bad idea. Same for anything covered by the NE or upper Midwest. Careful judge shopping at a lower level might be prudent too if one has the option of where to file.

    As far as any criminal prosecutions (which I doubt we'll see except for maybe as an add-on charge) you'll need a prudent, common sense judge and non-brain dead jury (which is what they want to install). Good luck with both of those.
    Last edited by ABNAK; 12-27-14 at 15:46.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    scottryan makes a valid point. 7n6 ammo anyone? What do you think would happen if there was readily available 5.56 AP ammo?
    I'd buy 1K+ rounds of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    I'd buy 1K+ rounds of it?
    No you wouldn't. It would be outlawed since it can be chambered in a pistol.

    AP pistol ammo: Illegal
    AP rifle ammo : Legal

    Just another 'screw you' we received thanks to AR/AK/G3 pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    As I recall that had to do with the bore diameter as well. I can't find the particular reference. Not quite the same thing.
    Over a half inch bore diameter and non-sporting = destructive device.

    Remove the sporting clause from the GCA and they won't be DDs anymore.
    I'm an FFL/gunsmith, not the holster company. We specialize in subsonic ammunition and wholesale rifles.

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    Just laminate the old letter and use it as a cheek riser.
    If you aren't armed when you take a dump in your own home then your opinion on what is a practical daily carry weapon isn't interesting to me.

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    Bubbas are a threat to your gun rights.

    When the media is at a gun show, who do they put the camera on?

    1. The normally dressed professional man.

    2. The fat slob with a unkept beard and a dirty t-shirt.

    The answer isn't #1.
    Last edited by scottryan; 12-29-14 at 20:23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Bubbas are a threat to your gun rights.

    When the media at a gun show, who do they put the camera on?

    1. The normally dressed professional man.

    2. The fat slob with a unkept beard and a dirty t-shirt.

    The answer isn't #1.

    You mean like this gem talking about skirting NFA and throwing it in the face of the ATF being a good thing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhTw3Vq-cpk

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Bubbas are a threat to your gun rights.

    When the media at a gun show, who do they put the camera on?

    1. The normally dressed professional man.

    2. The fat slob with a unkept beard and a dirty t-shirt.

    The answer isn't #1.
    Sadly true, but the NFA, ATF, and POS politicians are the problem. Bubba has the same rights as Mr. Professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    As I recall that had to do with the bore diameter as well. I can't find the particular reference. Not quite the same thing.

    All 12 ga. shotguns are .50 diameter. And sure they tried to throw the "large bore" 68 GCA import hokey pokey into their ruling but at the end of the day a Title 1 importable shotgun was transformed into a NFA destructive device with nothing more than a determination letter.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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